2015-2016 Tech Pack and Base GT350 Cooler Solution Discussion

[lemers]

I did. hit limp mode for tranny overheat three times so far this summer on my commute home. 45min drive in traffic all three times.

Now that I can see my tranny temps with the gauge via the Forscan settings I average 220 to 240 temps in cool weather.

This is why I believe the heat issues to be an engineering flaw. The engineers should had know that if a car designed for high performance was going to generate this much heat. They should have picked a transmission that could handle the friction better or included cooling mechanisms as cool air routing and even coolers if needed.


The engineers should had been demanding that Ford not remove the coolers if they are this needed.

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[barstowpo]

I posted on Ford Social and it didn't post and I didn't get an email.

 

[superman07]

I think the point about getting counsel is the fastest way to resolution. If ford got hit with a class action lawsuit, they would have to act one way or another. Right now as far as they are concerned it's a few vocal owners on forums. Not going to get any action

How many people are willing to engage in a class action lawsuit versus trying to do a social media blitz I think is the real question?

There are several reasons Ford would be motivated to step up in the face of a pending class action.

1. Bad publicity.
2. Attorneys could subpoena records both from the development and engineering team, and marketing and corporate communications. I know exactly what the Ford record retention policy is and they have all of this.
3. If there are even traces of e-mails discussing the removal of transmission temp from the visible cluster, temperatures reached in testing etc it would be very damaging. A lack of information would be bad for them also.
4. Any juicy tidbits on how and why / when the decision was made to source a different transmission. If there were any comments made to limitations, or known issues surrounding this discussion.
5. What marketing materials were available when, Any internal documents pointing to any changes or materials being removed or changed.
6. Based on the strong verbal statements made early and often by senior staff and their own press kit, is there a significant deficiency in what was advertised versus delivered.

 

[Spa2k]

You're forgetting one thing about a class action suit: No attorney who's in the law to make a living (as opposed to doing it for a hobby) is going to take on a suit like this because the potential fee isn't known. (What are you going to do, give the attorney 1/3 of your transmission as payment for winning the suit?) Besides, the size of the class is tiny. You'd need an attorney to take this on a fee basis, and how many of you guys are going to contribute thousands to that? Most of you guys here just want coolers and a new tranny at no cost, although a few of you said you'd step up and pay for the fix.

The NHTSA route may be a logical one to take, but only if the problems are repeatable and caused a safety problem at legally driven speeds on the street. That's going to be pretty hard to come up with, especially since the cars are still driveable at legal speeds when they go into limp mode.

And a phone campaign to Ford Performance will just make you even more crazy. How long are you going to listen to busy signals when all 6 lines (or however many) are full? And let's give the poor folks at Ford Performance who have been so helpful on other issues a break. They only have the power to pass along official Ford information to customers and log in phone calls to send up the Ford food chain - and believe me, they've logged enough limp mode calls to make the higher-ups aware of the problem.

You're even screwed if you try to tell the stories to the car magazines and websites, because the '16 Tech Packages are old news, and all of the upcoming "Best handling car in the universe" tests and comparison tests between the new Camaro and the GT 350s will use '17 models. And if you hurt the reputation of one GT 350 model, you'll kill the value of all GT 350s.

So, what's the answer? There really isn't a good one, beyond going through the Ford warranty process and then all the consumer protection outlets. The lemon laws exist for a reason, but the only time I've tried to use it, the manufacturer stepped up and bought the car back from me.

So, good friggin' luck to all of us in the real world.

 

[5.0 435]

I did. hit limp mode for tranny overheat three times so far this summer on my commute home. 45min drive in traffic all three times.

Now that I can see my tranny temps with the gauge via the Forscan settings I average 220 to 240 temps in cool weather.

Just for comparison sake.... in 95 degree weather after 45 minutes of freeway and city driving. Trans temp fluid is 150 and engine oil is 195 on my 15 corvette Z51 8 speed auto with all three coolers.
I remember reading about the PCOTY and they said the temps were running dangerously high in the 350 Car that had the coolers. They also said the same thing about the Z06 which we know has heat soak issues.
So those temps of 220 to 240 in normal driving are way too high and it's going to take its toll on your trans sooner or later. Not to mention should you take it to the track and see even higher temps. Problems for ford one way or the other just don't do anything that would give them a way out.

 

[65sohc]

I did. hit limp mode for tranny overheat three times so far this summer on my commute home. 45min drive in traffic all three times.

Now that I can see my tranny temps with the gauge via the Forscan settings I average 220 to 240 temps in cool weather.

Your temps are unusually high. I took an hour joyride yesterday: a 20 minute trip to one of my favorite roads followed by 20 minutes of 3rd and 4th gear corner carving in the 50-90 mph range and a 20 minute drive home. At the end of the high speed stint my trans temp was 210. I've had it go as high as 275 on a much windier 2nd and 3rd gear road but have never reached your temps during normal driving.

 

[firestarter2]

Your temps are unusually high. I took an hour joyride yesterday: a 20 minute trip to one of my favorite roads followed by 20 minutes of 3rd and 4th gear corner carving in the 50-90 mph range and a 20 minute drive home. At the end of the high speed stint my trans temp was 210. I've had it go as high as 275 on a much windier 2nd and 3rd gear road but have never reached your temps during normal driving.

I wonder if some of these cars are not fully filled with fluid.

 

[lemers]

I wonder if some of these cars are not fully filled with fluid.

 

[firestarter2]

Did I miss a post about some one checking this?

 

[lemers]

Did I miss a post about some one checking this?

Yeah, after ALL this discussion that's the issue. Why didn't anyone think of that before. Leave it to Firestarter to pop in here with increadable insight. :tsk:

 

[firestarter2]

Yeah, after ALL this discussion that's the issue. Why didn't anyone think of that before. Leave it to Firestarter to pop in here with increadable insight. :tsk:

Why do you think some cars overheat when some members have said theirs do not?

 

[5.0 435]

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[lemers]

Why do you think some cars overheat when some members have said theirs do not?

Lots of things can contribute to it. Maybe a Ford engineer could actually look into it.

 

[firestarter2]

Lots of things can contribute to it. Maybe a Ford engineer could actually look into it.

Its not a bad thing to check if a member who overheats is inclined while you wait for what ever Ford decides. I havent seen any mention of any one checking but I may of missed it

 

[lemers]

Its not a bad thing to check if a member who overheats is inclined while you wait for what ever Ford decides. I havent seen any mention of any one checking but I may of missed it

Well maybe he in particular hasn't checked, but there has already been plenty of discussion of people even changing types of fluids to see if they still went into limp mode, so it's not very likely that the fluid is the reason.

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