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[FordBlueHeart]

:amen:
Just like all the purists were talking about the Ecoboost was going to be a failure, "no one wants a 4cyl mustang" bla, bla bla.

Turns out lots of people did.

Camaro sales are an example of what happens when you listen to interweb forums, and they are lagging

Mustang sales are an example of what happens when the company looks at the market and common sense instead of purists.

A 600hp ttv6 awd $60k mustang would be a holy terror on the street, strip, and track putting all of the current Super cars on notice.

Ford might lose like 10 sales from the guys who swear that a Mustang should only have a V8, not be good at anything outside the 1/4 and barely turn a corner.

5 of those guys would come around when they started getting ahnhilated at the strip.

I consider myself a "purist", but I wouldn't want to be lumped together with the people you describe above. Maybe "V8 purist" is what they are? I have no issues with any Mustang whether it's powered by a 4 cylinder, 6 or V8. I don't believe at this time a GT or GT*** should have a six or 4 as the only option. Will it eventually take place? Probably, but we're nowhere near that time. As far as changing my mind after being "annihilated" at the dragstrip. No it won't. I'm not spending $40k or more on a depreciating asset to be concerned about what other people think of my car or the inevitable "annihilation" on the dragstrip. There's always going to be someone faster. I'm getting this car because of what I like. As for your number of sales lost or found because of a particular engine. I don't agree and I think your view is of the vocal minority. Times will change and eventually your view will be correct, but only out of a government mandate.

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[9secondko]

So what Makes a mustang a Mustang?

The first Mustangs had an I6 carburated engine, solid axle and drum brakes,
So changing the engines to v6s and v8s adding superchargers, Turbo 4s, disc brakes, fuel injection and IRS were not drastic enough changes.....but awd is just too far? Really? the RWD version will not go away, that will be the base spec.

This.

 

[Hack]

Economies of scale is the biggest reason. Disc brakes, fuel injection, IRS are all improvements of driveability. You forgot power brakes and power steering too. FM radio, CD players and Bluetooth. All things driven by consumer need or desire. To equate awd to any of those is just for argument's sake. I think the people who want awd are a vocal few at this time. Public perception may change, but I don't think we're even close to that point. The 4 cylinder was born out of necessity. Nothing wrong with that. It serves it's purpose. I just don't see the feasibility of awd at this time. Maybe 10 years from now but none of us will be driving cars by then possibly. The government will tell you that a self driving vehicle is safer therefore eliminating the need for fun vehicles. How's that for going off the deep end?

I'm open to other ways of achieving a goal, but IMO the GT500 shouldn't be about a big power number that doesn't make the car faster in the real world. When you have 600+ HP, AWD really does improve drive-ability. Unless you are advocating the new GT500 be neutered and the excessive power goes away...

 

[FordBlueHeart]

Front engine, RWD, two doors, 2+2 seating, relatively affordable fun car meant to be the rolling reflection of its owner.

If you need to sway from that formula why bother calling it a Mustang?

^^^This. For 51 years and counting. Made for the masses.

 

[minjitta]

Front engine, RWD, two doors, 2+2 seating, relatively affordable fun car meant to be the rolling reflection of its owner.

If you need to sway from that formula why bother calling it a Mustang?

According to the statement above these cars follow your mustang, pinto, nova, camaro just to names a few.
These two things that most people realize its a mustang are Pony logo, some mustang cube, and a fastback roof line.

 

[FordBlueHeart]

I'm open to other ways of achieving a goal, but IMO the GT500 shouldn't be about a big power number that doesn't make the car faster in the real world. When you have 600+ HP, AWD really does improve drive-ability. Unless you are advocating the new GT500 be neutered and the excessive power goes away...

I understand what you are saying. I just don't see it happening in a scale that can make it doable. I'm curious, are the Corvette guys begging for awd? Are the Hellcat owners? They already have the chassis engineered for it.
What other cars similar have awd already? Is it optional or standard?

 

[FordBlueHeart]

According to the statement above these cars follow your mustang, pinto, nova, camaro just to names a few.This is true. ^^ The Pinto is now the Fiesta and the Maverick is the Focus. The Nova was a pretty hot car in certain trims and optional equipment too. The Nova would probably be the Cruze of today.
These two things that most people realize its a mustang are Pony logo, some mustang cube, and a fastback roof line. To the uninformed and uninitiated, yes. To the enthusiast and fan, there are a lot more things that stand out. Ask a person on the street if they know what a Mustang is and they can tell you what they envision. (It might not be 100% correct, but they have a picture in their head.) Ask that same person what a GTR is and they either won't know or think it's a package on a Honda Civic.

Response is in the quote bold and italicized.

 

[mustang_guy]

As ive said, the only people that want awd are the ones not willing to learn how to handle "high" hp cars. To those wanting awd, even 1000+whp awd cars lose to rwd when the car is set up right, even on the street.


Heres an example of knowledge skill going a long way.





Running high hp cars on the street is no different then no prep racing. It separates the men from the boys. Everyone starts somewhere, but requesting awd to cover up lack of skill is silly. Besides even awd has traction issues on the street. My dd beater 07 sti with a 6466 turbo has traction issues. :lol:

 

[minjitta]

As ive said, the only people that want awd are the ones not willing to learn how to handle "high" hp cars. To those wanting awd, even 1000+whp awd cars lose to rwd when the car is set up right, even on the street.


Heres an example of knowledge skill going a long way.





Running high hp cars on the street is no different then no prep racing. It separates the men from the boys. Everyone starts somewhere, but requesting awd to cover up lack of skill is silly. Besides even awd has traction issues on the street. My dd beater 07 sti with a 6466 turbo has traction issues. :lol:

I ageed, but if you already know how to drive 1,000hp car, awd will make 1,000hp drivers and other driver a better driver.

 

[mustang_guy]

I ageed, but if you already know how to drive 1,000hp car, awd will make 1,000hp drivers and other driver a better driver.

What? Im not following.

If someome cant handle racing a stock 14 gt500 without a smoke show they have no business trying to handle cars beyond their skill level. Its a good way to kill someone, yourself or ruin a perfectly good car. People need to work up to these cars. People of equal skill one driving awd and the other driving rwd, if both are set up properly the rwd car wouldnt lose. Awd advantage only goes so far. Do you think r compounds like the r888 toyos are a very streetable good tire? :lol: after so much power no matter the drivetrain slicks or radials for full traction are needed. A 700-800hp awd car is :lol: with traction on anything less

 

[mustang_guy]

Rwd needs to be set up for the type of racing planned. You take a 1000+hp rwd car that was set up with racing from a dig in mind, its going to have traction issues from a roll. Suspension set ups and proper tires are key. The biggest advantage of awd is how it transfers power for street racing from a roll, its different and the suspension set ups usually more forgiving. Rwd needs to be set up for what you want to do. Set it up right for your goals and it dominates.

 

[minjitta]

BTW The video, the mustang was stripped you can see the headline are bare metal, so the car must be stripped all the way down to nothing but tranny and motor, with sticky tires. So it not driver race. The weight advantage to the mustang.

 

[mustang_guy]

BTW The video, the mustang was stripped you can see the headline are bare metal, so the car must be stripped all the way down to nothing but tranny and motor, with sticky tires. So it not driver race. The weight advantage to the mustang.

It had less hp. Being light doesnt make hooking on the street easier. It can aid to the trouble. You clearly dont drag race much. Either way its down on power compared to a full bolt on gtr. 495whp mustang vs 590-615whp gtr. The foxbody still out launched him with far less power on the street. Remember awd is so great?

 

[Pnasty]

would not buy an awd sports car again. it takes so much of the fun out of it.

 

[mustang_guy]

Besides, awd isnt going to save you except other stock cars or crap drivers. Modded cars with proper tire upgrades and suspension settings will hand you your ass. Last time i checked a lot of people dont stay stock anyway. My sti has traction issues out the ass. :lol: It has more crank hp then the next gt500 coming probably does. Ive been beat by rwd cars a time or two with similar power. Its not some crazy savior people think it is.

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