GT350R vs 6th Gen Z/28

[mustang_guy]

I really wish the "the LS7 is still alive!" rumor would die.

It's a dead motor, DEAD, along with the rest of the LS family. They're only being produced as crate motors now. It's all just fantasy, along with 6.2 liter Coyotes, 5.8 Trinity motors in S550's and other fanboy jerkoff fantasy powerplants.

6.2 coyote!? :eyebulge:

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[1320']

6.2 coyote!? :eyebulge:

It was given as an example of fantasy power plants.

Some people persist on perpetuating the rumor that the LS7 is alive (not saying anyone on this forum) and could be put into a 6th Gen Z/28, etc.

It's the same kind of fantasy speculation that gives life to big displacement Coyotes, putting the 5.8 Trinity S/C into the S550, stuff like that.

 

[ZaneWayne]

I forget - have they even gotten the 4 cylinder turbo version into stores yet?

They have been out since like 2013 in the ATS lol. And for the Camaro they should arriving anytime. That and the vert.

 

[Hack]

They have been out since like 2013 in the ATS lol. And for the Camaro they should arriving anytime. That and the vert.

Oh, so Ford is actually getting new Mustang versions out more quickly than GM is getting out different versions of new Camaros! I see. ;)

 

[1320']

I don't think anyone is arguing that Ford did a better job at the roll-out..

The 2.0T in the Camaro is getting upgrades, hopefully durability wise, over the version in the ATS which had some problems.

 

[Nanashii]

I'll give GM props. They're really getting after it in the Hi-Po categories. Maybe due to the success of the GT350, GM decided to keep the LS7 going a little bit longer. Stick a few hundred in the Z/28 and keep it quite limited just like the GT350R?

The business equation is much easier for GM. When you have multiple Hi-Po RWD cars (ATS-V, Corvette, Camaro), you can share engineers and expense the R&D costs across all the models. Financially, it's much easier for GM to put in a new chassis, new engine, expensive suspension and drivetrain, interior etc into a next generation model all at the same time. Looking at the 6th gen 1LE for example...the car may end up delivering base GT350 levels of performance for $5-10k less. How can they do that? Take the base SS and slap on a bunch of Hi-Po hardware/software that had already been developed for the other models. Just looking at the engine, brakes, differential, traction control software, steering wheel...that's exactly what they did. It's the same story with the SS vs the GT.

It'll be very interesting to see the profit (if any) Ford makes on the GT350s.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Oh, so Ford is actually getting new Mustang versions out more quickly than GM is getting out different versions of new Camaros! I see. ;)

Don't remember saying that they had not. Ford easily did a better roll out. But the fact that Chevy already has the SS, 1LE, ZL1, and Z/28 on the way is awesome!

 

[thePill]

In before thePill mentions the golden ratio...

Were you in before GM explained why a large grill was needed?

Oh, because the SS/1LE/ZL1 cooling sucks?

thePill told you so :lol:


Yes, Chevy will do everything in their power to increase the track width. The base SS and ZL1 are not sufficient.


All 5 years of the 5th Gen's R&D pushed into 10 months :lol: good luck.

I wonder how they intend to pay for R&D :lol: Only selling about a 1/3 of what the 5th Gen did...

2 years ago the GT350 was revealed... and has since pushed everything out of CTSCC. For a fraction of the price...


The track will be corrected and they are doing what they can to improve cooling.

 

[thePill]

The business equation is much easier for GM. When you have multiple Hi-Po RWD cars (ATS-V, Corvette, Camaro), you can share engineers and expense the R&D costs across all the models. Financially, it's much easier for GM to put in a new chassis, new engine, expensive suspension and drivetrain, interior etc into a next generation model all at the same time. Looking at the 6th gen 1LE for example...the car may end up delivering base GT350 levels of performance for $5-10k less. How can they do that? Take the base SS and slap on a bunch of Hi-Po hardware/software that had already been developed for the other models. Just looking at the engine, brakes, differential, traction control software, steering wheel...that's exactly what they did. It's the same story with the SS vs the GT.

It'll be very interesting to see the profit (if any) Ford makes on the GT350s.

Profit for the GT350 Program goes beyond sales. The Motorsport industry supports a good bit of HALO Mustang's.

The GT350 was more successful than the Boss 302 in both sales and Motorsport.

 

[Chameleon]

AI...the best crossover, ever..

Agreed. Tim Hardaway close 2nd.

 

[thePill]

Whatever they are doing, it better be quick and it's gotta be good. The GT350 is unmanageable in CTSCC... Even Rum Bum and Porsche admitted at Daytona, "we have no advantage over the GT350. Ford and Multimatic did a fantastic job"


The GT350 is set up and pretty close to optimal. It also has a few mechanical advantages a FPC provides.

Chevy can't build a GT350 type Camaro for less than $75,000. They won't... they think too highly of the crap they put out to be realistic about it. They treat every turd like a natural born infant... and cuddle it...


Don't expect Ford to push the GT350 year over year, it has class restrictions to adhere to. Something the z28 didn't do, which led to the class running GT350's or 997's.

 

[thePill]

Your bringing up a 20k mark up isn't even accurate. We're talking msrp. The z28 at 75k was not worth it then or now. And GM realizes this because of what ford offers for less money! That's my whole point.

Yes, he is delusional...

The z28 was the greatest waste of Camaro fanboy money I've ever seen. You know someone got raped by the marketing when you see a defender.

He must have bought one day 1 :lol:

He did not listen to thePill's advice and bought it anyway. :lol:

 

[1320']

The whole hysteria over the Z/28 has been absolutely silly. It's become a myth, whipped up by whispered stories by fans into something it wasn't.

"It really made about 500 horsepower" "It was the fastest Camaro ever in the 1st Generation" "It was above the SS in terms of trim and status" "No Mustang could ever compete"

Stuff like that, and it's not true, none of it. As a result, Chevy believed their own horseshit and felt they had to make the Z/28 utterly dominant and obliterating everything that came in its path. As a result you got an overpriced, over-equipped, uncomfortable, upkeep intensive (those trofeo R's) and one season only (summer) car that was entirely overgunned for your average "track day, bruh" events and HPDE sessions.

Look at what Ford did with the Boss 302. It was reasonably priced ($42,000 when a GT premium was about $36,000), offered a huge trackability upgrade over the GT, and wouldn't blow your wallet apart on upfront costs and upkeep. Compare that with the Z/28 which was $33,000 more and people wonder why it didn't sell well.
Virtually every Boss 302 made sold within 6 months or so of being on lots. Today there are STILL new Z/28's sitting on Chevy lots, even after 25% discounts and GM corporate practically begging people to buy it.

GM and their diehard fans are becoming increasingly inbred and self congratulatory, convinced that Americans will buy a Camaro at whatever price they see fit because they believe their own bullshit and the crap the magazines heap on it.

 

[Childs Play]

The whole hysteria over the Z/28 has been absolutely silly. It's become a myth, whipped up by whispered stories by fans into something it wasn't.

"It really made about 500 horsepower" "It was the fastest Camaro ever in the 1st Generation" "It was above the SS in terms of trim and status" "No Mustang could ever compete"

Stuff like that, and it's not true, none of it. As a result, Chevy believed their own horseshit and felt they had to make the Z/28 utterly dominant and obliterating everything that came in its path. As a result you got an overpriced, over-equipped, uncomfortable, upkeep intensive (those trofeo R's) and one season only (summer) car that was entirely overgunned for your average "track day, bruh" events and HPDE sessions.

Look at what Ford did with the Boss 302. It was reasonably priced ($42,000 when a GT premium was about $36,000), offered a huge trackability upgrade over the GT, and wouldn't blow your wallet apart on upfront costs and upkeep. Compare that with the Z/28 which was $33,000 more and people wonder why it didn't sell well.
Virtually every Boss 302 made sold within 6 months or so of being on lots. Today there are STILL new Z/28's sitting on Chevy lots, even after 25% discounts and GM corporate practically begging people to buy it.

GM and their diehard fans are becoming increasingly inbred and self congratulatory, convinced that Americans will buy a Camaro at whatever price they see fit because they believe their own bullshit and the crap the magazines heap on it.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

The whole hysteria over the Z/28 has been absolutely silly. It's become a myth, whipped up by whispered stories by fans into something it wasn't.

"It really made about 500 horsepower" "It was the fastest Camaro ever in the 1st Generation" "It was above the SS in terms of trim and status" "No Mustang could ever compete"

Stuff like that, and it's not true, none of it. As a result, Chevy believed their own horseshit and felt they had to make the Z/28 utterly dominant and obliterating everything that came in its path. As a result you got an overpriced, over-equipped, uncomfortable, upkeep intensive (those trofeo R's) and one season only (summer) car that was entirely overgunned for your average "track day, bruh" events and HPDE sessions.

Look at what Ford did with the Boss 302. It was reasonably priced ($42,000 when a GT premium was about $36,000), offered a huge trackability upgrade over the GT, and wouldn't blow your wallet apart on upfront costs and upkeep. Compare that with the Z/28 which was $33,000 more and people wonder why it didn't sell well.
Virtually every Boss 302 made sold within 6 months or so of being on lots. Today there are STILL new Z/28's sitting on Chevy lots, even after 25% discounts and GM corporate practically begging people to buy it.

GM and their diehard fans are becoming increasingly inbred and self congratulatory, convinced that Americans will buy a Camaro at whatever price they see fit because they believe their own bullshit and the crap the magazines heap on it.

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