So I think I will need to replace the motor | Currently at the Dealer

[stanglife]

^^ that seems more reasonable.

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[Paul@PKAUTODESIGN]

Ya they marked everything and just said drive her.

 

[jperls]

Update:

I am continuing to get bent over. What else is to be expected..:frusty:

Ford has told all 3 of my local dealer not to work on my car because I have filed legal action. This is equivalent to denying warranty aka breach of warranty. If ford is not going to warranty my engine then how can they prevent independently owned dealers from working on the car? They previously stated they couldn't force a dealer to do something for me but now advising the dealers to let the legal case work itself out. So now nothing will be done and I am 100% reliant on my attorney to work this problem out. I might add that my lawyer was a former Ford corp. attorney who now owns his own private practice so I know what needs to get done will get done.

The car was towed to my house purely for the fact the dealer wants to muddy the water and may later say the car was tampered with since it was returned to my possession and custody chain broken. The dealer also advised me to add oil and try to drive the car since I have it back which is horrible advice. I should just forget all that has happened? simply amazing how dealers think. No points awarded for effort but odd they think they're so smart and everyones else is a halfwit. Giving advice for someone to shoot themselves in foot is just vicious and savage. However my lawyer beat them to the punch and an independent inspector already examined the car for my attorney while still at the dealers lot and possesion adding that also Ford's own field tech came out and pointed the finger back at the dealer while they still had the car. So I think in the end the dealer will owe me an engine but that will have to be worked out. A demand letter is being sent and we'll have to wait for a response. Oddly enough the dealer pointing a finger back at ford said they didn't know about the recall on filters coming loose and no tools or special equipment has been advised or supplied. They saw the oil filter wrench for the first time when I showed them it in the kit box with the letter. I find this as 1st hand admission yet they would never agree to that if pressed.

The dealer was so cordial and professional that they wished me well by advising I never return back there and they would do no future work for me. They also gave me a parting gift as if my bumper being damaged wasn't enough now my door and mirror was hit on the lot. Mind you my car is immobilized with the blown motor and they stuck it in the corner in between 2 spots so nobody would further damage it after the bumper damage. I did get a promissory note to repair the body damage that I struggled to get an actual signature on so it didn't look made up.

I guess the mechanic who parked the huge box truck thought it was more special than my Shelby and took it upon hisself to take up 2 spots including all the room save 1 inch of the passenger side of my car. So yea! awesome parting gift more damage to my car. Also my passenger door was left open at some point so now the top part of my door panel is faded and battery completely dead. The side part of the front seat is also now showing fade. The only plus from this is the Texas sun and heat warmed my bumper and the sucker punch dent popped out leaving only the paint damage and broken mounting tabs on the bumper to resolve. I am also upset it sat unlocked on the lot the entire time. Who knows how many people violated the sanctity of my Shelby there was no plastic seat covers placed or paper floor mats. Point of all this is to thoroughly investigate your dealers reputation before bringing your car to them. Also don't expect the car to be returned in the same condition take pictures and have your svc rep also take many many pictures.

I'm speechless. Would you PM me the dealer names so I can write them and Ford corporate a letter. I bought my mustang (non-shelby) because I thought build quality and customer service would be on par with what they had back in the 70's when my mother obtained her convertible (see attached photo). I'm sure if this story gets posted on yelp and Facebook for this dealership, people will get very angry and stop going to them. Look at what has happened to one our members with Saleen (http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89205&highlight=saleen)...he has a potentially huge case against them.

I am now ashamed to own both of my mustangs. I would sell them to show support for everyone who has had terrible dealings with dealers and Ford in general, but too much money and too many great memories with both of these cars to let them go.

Good luck with everything,

Jason

 

[Paul@PKAUTODESIGN]

That Stang is sexy man.

 

[Flat Rock Flyer]

Ya they marked everything and just said drive her.

Drive it the way it was meant to be driven and let the chips fall where they may, and my bet is that you'll eventually get that engine replaced under warranty. Good luck man, pulling for you.

 

[jperls]

That Stang is sexy man.

Thank you. A lot of hard work went into restoring her. But that is for PM's and a different thread that is not on topic for this forum. More interested in how things go for you and your Shelby.

 

[TDC]

Paul I think best bet would be if the engine ran dry and grenaded then they'd have to replace it. After all they instructed you not to touch anything

 

[Lexluther]

The previous trans issue and oil filter issue are related to service done at Autonation Ford in Frisco TX. They are refusing to accept liability or even inspect the car. I was also told that Ford has neither notified them nor do they know about the oil filter recall as they are changing other Shelby's filters as normal and do not possess the specific GT350 filter tool.

Bob Thomas Ford of McKinney TX was where my bumper, door and mirror got hit. They are also refused any further dealings and towed the car to my house where its sitting now lifeless. Their only goal was that myself or Autonation give them a check for $25k to put an entire new engine. When that didn't happen they wiped their hands clean. When asked at time of car being towed if I revisited at a later date with a check from myself or autonation for the amount requested if they would fix my car they said no and that they never want to see the car again.

Both their yelp reviews are 3 stars and 2 stars respectfully however I want to refrain from speaking negatively about them regardless of my hurt feelings.

My attorney has sent a demand letter and they have 30days to come to their senses and do the right thing. Until then I am holding all judgments and negative personal comments.

Sam Pack of Lewisville seems legit they did the A/C work on my car. However after initially offering to help there was a retraction when Ford told all 3 dealers not to work on my car since there was a lawsuit filed.

True there is a lawsuit but that was against Ford for lemon law and not the dealers which are independently owned and operated. In Texas when there's a lemon law suit filed the dealers are absolved of any blame or liability so this suit does not affect the dealers. So now that Ford has interfered I'm left with no good options but to continued suit and include the dealers into it as well for breach of warranty. Even if I was to pay out of pocket for a motor or maybe needed a tire flat repair I am essentially black balled by all the dealers in the metro area and my VIN and warranty flagged. Not sure how that is fair considering I've done nothing but call roadside to bring a disabled vehicle with only 3k miles to the authorized dealer for service. The dealer got Ford involved to look at it in order to fix it. The only hands on the motor was Ford's factory technicians and Ford authorized technicians at the dealer so again not sure how I became the black sheep holding the rotten egg :shrug:

I can't even tell you whats wrong with the car. Ford pointed a finger at the dealer and called it a service issue but put nothing in writing. The dealer hasn't looked at it since they called Ford to inspect it. The the dealer who did the oil service wants nothing to do with it.

It could be an entire engine or short block or crank or just bearings. Nobody knows right now the extent of damage. Everyone has only agreed to one thing if I pay to fix it all claims are lost against Ford or the dealers so I eat the whole thing. So what options does this leave? None just wait it out for the legal system to grind up and spit out.

What I can say is new cars and warranties are truly a falsehood of security to get you to pay more. If this car was used I would of bought it at a 20% depreciation and could of left the difference as a savings. If I wasn't worried about warranty I would of had an independent shop change my oil rather than the authorized dealer who was trusted to honor and preserve the warranty. If something catastrophic happened the saving would have covered repairs. MMR sells a 1000Hp capable short block for $6k. Ford sells a short block for FMC-GR3Z-6009-A for $8500 after core returned. Used GT350 are in the 50's so the savings would have been an insurance policy to cover a short block or have a forged short block built to prevent any failures. Also you would take it to a specialist for oil service rather than a dealer at least the specialist know and care about the car as a fellow enthusiast. It just seems the dealer experience is a loosing proposition all the way around.

Life was so much simpler as a child only having to worry about flat tires and the chain on the bicycle. Maintenance was only adding new baseball cards to the spokes. Much simpler and happier days for sure...

Growing up was a trap you can no longer smack the offender with your lego's or call in an adult to mediate and right a wrong. And you can no longer continue to be friends after the offense. These days as an adult smacking someone with legos constitutes an assault and calling in an adult aka lawyer cost you 30% rather than getting warm milk and cookies afterward your at a loss and out of pocket even further. As an adult there are no wrongs sets right only wrongs mitigated and this is why there continues to be too much wrongs committed because there is no clear right and wrong and no clear peanalties for the offender. There is only how much of the shit I stepped into that was careless left for me to deal with can be swiped off my shoes so I can continue on. Meanwhile the mad shiter circles all the blocks in the neighborhood unimpeded. Clearly there must be a better dealer experience than this.....

 

[RyanR3KC]

Man...never want to see people have trouble with their cars.

you should read the Z06Vette forums on the early LS7s.

-has this been a common issue with the Voodoo? I had read and seen a couple videos where they seemed to infer that the engine vibration could be a long term issue?

 

[Hack]

Man...never want to see people have trouble with their cars.

you should read the Z06Vette forums on the early LS7s.

-has this been a common issue with the Voodoo? I had read and seen a couple videos where they seemed to infer that the engine vibration could be a long term issue?

I think the bodies might end up rattling a little more than other Mustangs, but I would be surprised if there's a long term issue with the engines due to vibration. My evidence? No changes that I've noticed to the engine vibration in my car after 20,000 miles. Also, no significant vibration in the Ford racing cars that were hammered against the red line over and over lap after lap in Utah.

Now if your long term is 200,000+ miles - who knows about that? My belief is most will be fine if they are maintained, but few will be driven that much.

 

[mustang1]

The previous trans issue ...

what was the previous transmission issue ?

 

[Zitrosounds]

I think the bodies might end up rattling a little more than other Mustangs, but I would be surprised if there's a long term issue with the engines due to vibration. My evidence? No changes that I've noticed to the engine vibration in my car after 20,000 miles. Also, no significant vibration in the Ford racing cars that were hammered against the red line over and over lap after lap in Utah.

Now if your long term is 200,000+ miles - who knows about that? My belief is most will be fine if they are maintained, but few will be driven that much.

Com'on HACK!!!! quit with the common sense approach ; )

 

[Paul@PKAUTODESIGN]

Thank you. A lot of hard work went into restoring her. But that is for PM's and a different thread that is not on topic for this forum. More interested in how things go for you and your Shelby.

Shes ok for now just driving her, not sure where the oil is currently so stuck just waiting to hit 1000 miles.

Its always great driving her though

Paul I think best bet would be if the engine ran dry and grenaded then they'd have to replace it. After all they instructed you not to touch anything

LOL :cheers:

 

[RyanR3KC]

I think the bodies might end up rattling a little more than other Mustangs, but I would be surprised if there's a long term issue with the engines due to vibration. My evidence? No changes that I've noticed to the engine vibration in my car after 20,000 miles. Also, no significant vibration in the Ford racing cars that were hammered against the red line over and over lap after lap in Utah.

Now if your long term is 200,000+ miles - who knows about that? My belief is most will be fine if they are maintained, but few will be driven that much.

It was more or less something about the dash and gauge bezels moving already on newer cars because of the engine. Seemed crazy to me, but yes...the Rattlestang is well known

 

[stanglife]

FYI - in the parts book, the dash is labeled as being GT350 specific and has something to do with additional vibration resistance. $$$$$$$$$4000

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