POLL: Guess UK MY18 Power

[Gibbo205]

Hi there

Done same over on USA section, but Ford may decide to handicap the RHD vehicles again with bodged up manifolds on one side limited exhaust flow and as such reducing power. Though the full 25HP we lose compared to a USA car is not because of just exhaust manifolds but also stricter EU/UK emission laws resulting in a different ECU tune compared to USA cars.

Another way to look at it is Ford claim 416PS (410BHP) for RHD UK vehicle and 421PS (415BHP) for the LHD (USA headers) for European cars.

So power loss in the UK and Europe is more down too ECU tuning than manifolds it seems, of course changing out manifolds to long tube headers yields great gains on a USA LHD car and even greater gains on a UK RHD car.


Still for MY18 RHD models will Ford revise the headers to flow better and not just be a bodge job on current cars or will MY18 still get the same bodged RHD headers resulting in a loss of power.


Anyway vote on the power level you feel MY18 will have, bear in mind compression goes from 11:1 upto 12:1 matching the GT 350 Voodoo compression which always gives a power boost along with quicker throttle response. Then add in port and direct injection for more performance gains along with actual economy gains.

So vote on where you think the UK car will be.

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[CaptainSensible]

I reckon it will between 20-30bhp. They will want keep a bit in the tank for the 2020 release of the S650 Mustang. I'm guessing they will stick with the same V8 as in the S550.2, all their engine devlopment will be focussed on the new hybrid V6.

 

[Gibbo205]

I have voted 440BHP, I personally feel even if we do get nice headers, EU/UK tune will still result in less horsepower and there are also some differences between USA HP and EU/UK BHP in way power is measured also. ;)

Either way, compared to the current 410BHP we get now, there shall be a rather nice boost, particular on torque due to new technologies and higher compression.

I went 440BHP as its a number easily obtained and puts Ford above several competitors. I think we can expect 435 minimum and made as high as 455 on a UK car.

Of course a tune with a CAI will release an addition 30-50HP on top of those figures just like it does now. Does mean 500HP with just tune and CAI looks very likely on the new MY18 and coupled with that 10-speed auto I really think with the 4S tyres we shall see reviews posting 0-60 times in the mid to high 3s area and probably an official statistic from Ford of 4.5s for manual and 4.3s for the auto. It will be a much quicker car when combined with 10-speed for sure, especially if the vastly heavier Raptor truck with less power with 10-speed does 0-60 in 5.3s, so I do not think its too much to expect 1s less with more power and vastly less weight.

 

[Gibbo205]

I reckon it will between 20-30bhp. They will want keep a bit in the tank for the 2020 release of the S650 Mustang. I'm guessing they will stick with the same V8 as in the S550.2, all their engine devlopment will be focussed on the new hybrid V6.

Yes but also remember, Ford have a way of boosting power vastly on the current 5.0 they have not yet done, but has being tested which is by using the 5.2 heads from the Voodoo, that is worth around 20-30HP and I think if they stick with 5.0 Coyote for S650 we will see significant head work to further boost power and rev limit.

 

[Manders Mustang]

I've gone 440... I still think you're going to get gimped with the manifolds again and thus reducing the power there.

Equally, I still think anything MY18 is like going to a casino and dropping money on '0' in roulette, nobody has a donkeys what's going to happen over here... Even when the USA stuff drops, we've still got the wait for the UK stuff to drop (Specs, Optional Extras, Availability, Release date, etc.)

 

[Gibbo205]

I've gone 440... I still think you're going to get gimped with the manifolds again and thus reducing the power there.

Equally, I still think anything MY18 is like going to a casino and dropping money on '0' in roulette, nobody has a donkeys what's going to happen over here... Even when the USA stuff drops, we've still got the wait for the UK stuff to drop (Specs, Optional Extras, Availability, Release date, etc.)

The tune gimps us more than headers, for those of us who tune straight away though not an issue, we can unleash the true potential and those who have tuned know the absolute night and day difference it makes. A stock V8 really does drive lazy stock, the tune transforms drive ability more so than performance which is more important.

Several members of Ford have claimed options will be global this time, it really had better be otherwise I am going to be try to retro-fit the magnetic ride suspension and ECU and host of other items.

All we know for sure is we get the engine and 10-speed, all the other cool stuff will be an unknown.

 

[SteveS]

A mindlessly optimistic 455. The header problem is known this time and emissions dealt with in other ways.
I have no real idea what i'm talking about but in :ford: I trust...

 

[Manders Mustang]

The tune gimps us more than headers, for those of us who tune straight away though not an issue, we can unleash the true potential and those who have tuned know the absolute night and day difference it makes. A stock V8 really does drive lazy stock, the tune transforms drive ability more so than performance which is more important.

Several members of Ford have claimed options will be global this time, it really had better be otherwise I am going to be try to retro-fit the magnetic ride suspension and ECU and host of other items.

All we know for sure is we get the engine and 10-speed, all the other cool stuff will be an unknown.

Yeah my speculation is what they mean by 'available worldwide' will they sell from stock with them, offer as upgrades latter on, will they give parts of the world different things, what will actually come with the GT/EB etc etc etc etc etc. Even the EU and UK cars have different options (Interior trim for example). My qualms are that because it's a 'RHD' therefore requires a little more work to make it a RHD (and obviously, cash) that they'll throw less on it, and the 'Leftie' driving export countries will get everything.

however we will wait and see, I think we will get most of the 'Big' things (Mag ride, 10 speed etc), Dash, Interior improvements, carbon package etc etc, I think is a little less 'likely'. But will wait and see.

Anyway, back on topic, did I drive your's with a tune, or were you still unturned at that point? :shrug:

 

[Gibbo205]

A mindlessly optimistic 455. The header problem is known this time and emissions dealt with in other ways.
I have no real idea what i'm talking about but in :ford: I trust...

Lets see, another advantage of DFI and PI is it lowers emissions so the power levels may not get reduced as much.

Also the car may hit a lower tax bracket but that is extremely wishful thinking with any V8 no matter the technology until a hybrid version comes along then its win win.

A hybrid Coyote V8 would be freaking amazing, V8 soundtrack, instantaneous torque and even more power.

 

[Gibbo205]

Yeah my speculation is what they mean by 'available worldwide' will they sell from stock with them, offer as upgrades latter on, will they give parts of the world different things, what will actually come with the GT/EB etc etc etc etc etc. Even the EU and UK cars have different options (Interior trim for example). My qualms are that because it's a 'RHD' therefore requires a little more work to make it a RHD (and obviously, cash) that they'll throw less on it, and the 'Leftie' driving export countries will get everything.

however we will wait and see, I think we will get most of the 'Big' things (Mag ride, 10 speed etc), Dash, Interior improvements, carbon package etc etc, I think is a little less 'likely'. But will wait and see.

Anyway, back on topic, did I drive your's with a tune, or were you still unturned at that point? :shrug:

Well they actually specifically said all options worldwide. If they are truthful the only thing we would not get due to RHD would be Recaro option, unless of course they even sorted that out and now have Recaro doing the seats to cater for both markets, easily enough to sort especially as Ford deal with Recaro on a global basis anyway. Though Recaro's do not bother me so much, as they lose some comfort.

Ford should have made a truly global car this time.

If I was running Ford I would be like, guys we got lucky, our global success is a hit, but our margins have being battered due to having to have so many different production lines for different regions. Having to make different hoods, mess with headers.

This time the car has to be like the cup holders, one design for all regions, so one hood (notice that even EB now gets vents, so same hood), one centre trim. By doing this we streamline, we make more margin and the car also becomes truly global by allowing all customers worldwide to customise and build their dream cars.

They did go big saying customers worldwide will be able to customise and build dream cars, I really hope that has a lot of truth in it because a lot of people do just want a base no thrills car and some people want to spec things exactly how they want and some people want to tick every option.

From a streamlining and profitability standpoint, once car, body panels, interior that works globally without need to change for other regions due to rules equals more profit.

Ford Detroit now know the rules, so in theory if they have half a brain cell, the MY18 won't need any changes to work in certain regions.

Notice how they said all lights are LED, including the rear, that means they can put in twin colour LEDs or even RGB, they can go wild and it means one design for all.

 

[Kristian87]

A mindlessly optimistic 455. The header problem is known this time and emissions dealt with in other ways.
I have no real idea what i'm talking about but in :ford: I trust...

Same optimism here I would hate to think ford do another fudge and drop the hp so I'm going to say that RHD will match LHD power. Something about those screenshots as well on 4-55. Seems to be a hidden message as many have said.

 

[Gibbo205]

Same optimism here I would hate to think ford do another fudge and drop the hp so I'm going to say that RHD will match LHD power. Something about those screenshots as well on 4-55. Seems to be a hidden message as many have said.

Yes, but I am really hoping thats torque, haha!

Totally optimistic as pulling 455lbft from a high-revving 5.0 V8 NA would be a huge achievement, but DI/PI always gives more gains on torque than it does power, so I can wish, dream and hope, very optimistic and unlikely but would be ace.

I did see an engine picture of MY18, but not sure if its a true MY18 so not posted it up, but if it is MY18 it shows same intake manifold, CAI setup as now. Which I also hope for as it means tuning gains will be absolutely monstrous on the new engine.

 

[kapiteinlangzaam]

All we know for sure is we get the engine and 10-speed,.

Where has the 10-speed been officially confirmed by Ford for non-US markets?

I must have missed that.

 

[Gibbo205]

Where has the 10-speed been officially confirmed by Ford for non-US markets?

I must have missed that.

That is a global change, engine/gearbox is one option. 6-speed will be gone from Mustang production just like the V6 is gone.

We will 100% get 10-speed simply because the 6-speed was shot down heavily by Europeans and reviewers due us being so use to quicker and better DSG/PDK/DCT stuff.

We will get that for sure!

 

[McDoodle]

... 462.63214 bhp ... roughly ...

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