I agree, but I won't go broke if something goes wrong fixing a Mustang. I've known plenty of people with BMW's who have all said the same thing, "Make sure it has a warranty".A car isn't an investment. In most cases, it's a money pit. You usually don't see a return(profit) on any car these days.
Agreed.if you like old school M3's, don't get the M4, get the M2 instead.
Easily done. The key though...don't go overboard either! Koni Sports, a mild drop like 1" with correct rates, a front sway bar at its SOFTEST setting (yes, you heard me right, SOFTEST), and that's really all you need. Maybe a bushing kit or vertical arms.I agree, but I won't go broke if something goes wrong fixing a Mustang. I've known plenty of people with BMW's who have all said the same thing, "Make sure it has a warranty".
If you can already afford a new M4, then repairing it shouldn't be an issue either.
Personally, my goal is my make my 2017 GT PP stronger than an M3 for a lot less than the cost of buying an M3.
Hello everyone,
I need some help with the confusion in my head - its a very long story so here goes...
I live in South Africa (southern tip of Africa), Johannesburg to be exact (more on that later), and I'm in the market for a new car. Car prices in South Africa are a little different to the US which makes the decision a little bit more difficult.
I've driven BMW's for most of my life, starting with a BMW 325is (South African special edition of a car meant to resemble the E30 M3 which was never brought into the country) in my 20s then moved on more recently to a E92 M3 Manual in 2009 and then a E89 Z4 s35i DCT ESS Tuned (M4 was not out yet) in 2013. I sold the Z4 in 2016 so been without a sports car since then. I have a Jeep Wrangler JK as my daily driver so the new car will be my weekend toy.
What am I looking for in a car? I'm not a straight line speed car. I'm looking for a car that handles very well (M car handling) for mostly street, back roads, mountain roads and the occasional track day. I'm looking for a manual car for driver involvement, although I know DCT/PDK cars are faster. I'm looking for a car that sounds like a sports car - love the feel of a NA, high revving engine.
Here is a list of cars I've shortlisted with the equivalent price in dollars:
New 2017 Mustang GT with Ford Performance Track Handling Pack, Ford Performance Short Throw Shift Kit, Ford Performance Sport Cat-back exhaust with quad tips and GT350 rear valance, GT350R Steering wheel.
Total Price: $64000
Used 2015 BMW M4 Manual (10k-15k miles) - $61000 - extremely difficult to find though - been looking the last 6 months. The engine feels very similar to my ESS tuned Z4 so nothing special - very fast but the idea os engine sound being played through the speakers just doesn't do it for me.
Used 2015 BMW M4 DCT (10k-15k miles) - $61000 - easy to find but don't really like the DCT gearbox
Used 2009 Porsche 911 997.2 Carrera 2 S PDK - $61000 - there's a few around - like the NA engine but not so much the PDK - goes like stink although its a lot less power than the other cars. Its a bit old though.
Used 2013 BMW E92 M3 Manual - $47000 - loved the car when I owned it - its a bit old now tho - would like to try something else.
So I guess my biggest concern is whether I will be disappointed with the handling of the Mustang (after all the frpp parts) compared to the BMW. How does this build compare to the GT350/R in the US (We don't get the GT350/R here). The drop in Mustang resale also worrys me a bit but I'll be keeping this car - plan it to have a nice NA car in my garage and maybe buy a Porsche when I'm older - in my late 30s now. I've watched all the youtube videos and read all the forums but still stuck. It is the first time that Ford South Africa is selling the Mustang down here (we get the Euro Spec RHD) so there isn't many cars available to test drive. I drove the auto with a sport cat back exhaust which sounds very very nice but the gearbox is crap compared to a BMW DCT. I want the manual but haven't driven one yet.
So coming back to Johannesburg - it is 5,751 feet above sea level (high altitude) which means all NA cars lose 15-20% of their power compared to FI cars which lose about 5%. This will affect the performance of the car too.
The 2018 Mustang GT is very nice too but it will only get here some time in 2019. We got the 2015 car only in 2016. I dont think I can wait another year or so.
Please help with your thoughts. If you had to pay the money Ford is asking in South Africa for a Mustang vs the M4, would you still buy it.
Thanks,
Alvin
Stronger possibly but you can't compare build quality between the two.I agree, but I won't go broke if something goes wrong fixing a Mustang. I've known plenty of people with BMW's who have all said the same thing, "Make sure it has a warranty".
If you can already afford a new M4, then repairing it shouldn't be an issue either.
Personally, my goal is my make my 2017 GT PP stronger than an M3 for a lot less than the cost of buying an M3.