Wheel adapter seized

[BmacIL]

Both hubs and studs are all stripped. FML :frusty:

That is very unfortunate. :(

Can you get the hub off?

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[jbailer]

That is very unfortunate. :(

Can you get the hub off?

I don't see why it would be a problem but haven't gotten to it yet. I"ll be working on taking them off tonight getting it prepared for tomorrow. I had to order the hubs as the dealer didn't have them in stock, they will be there before noon tomorrow. I don't see any information about removing the hubs in the Helm manual, any tips? I'm not sure of the torques or anything.

Oh I just found it in the manual! Happy day!

LOL Ford is hilarious with this throwing away hardware crap. I know (blah blah blah) stressing the threads and all that... Please though, throw away the dust cap? Throw away the wheel hub nut? Not happening. 251 lb ft on that nut though! I think I need a new torque wrench!

 

[jbailer]

Can this get any more fun!? I just popped the dust cap off and that wheel hub nut is HUGE! Now I need a 36mm socket too!

 

[BmacIL]

I don't see why it would be a problem but haven't gotten to it yet. I"ll be working on taking them off tonight getting it prepared for tomorrow. I had to order the hubs as the dealer didn't have them in stock, they will be there before noon tomorrow. I don't see any information about removing the hubs in the Helm manual, any tips? I'm not sure of the torques or anything.

Oh I just found it in the manual! Happy day!

LOL Ford is hilarious with this throwing away hardware crap. I know (blah blah blah) stressing the threads and all that... Please though, throw away the dust cap? Throw away the wheel hub nut? Not happening. 251 lb ft on that nut though! I think I need a new torque wrench!

Dang! My 1/2" drive only goes up to 250...

 

[jbailer]

Dang! My 1/2" drive only goes up to 250...

That's what I'll be getting. My 1/2" drive torque wrench only goes up to 150. I needed a 250 anyways for things like the strut bolts that are 184 lb ft. Now I will be able to check those. I just went to 150 and pushed what felt like 34 ft lbs more. The extra 1 ft lb for the wheel hub nut above 250 will be sacrificed. If my wheel falls off, everyone will know why. I just can't see needing more than 250.

 

[Fordever]

Dang! My 1/2" drive only goes up to 250...

Since I have been following this, I decided to check my wrench as well. And wouldn't ya know it, the range on my 1/2" is 50-250....:doh:

 

[Mustang_Lou]

Don't you sometimes just wished you'd left the car alone?

I said I'd do it for the Mustang ... didn't work.

 

[Fordever]

Don't you sometimes just wished you'd left the car alone?

I said I'd do it for the Mustang ... didn't work.

Sometimes I think, Should I really be doing this?..... but the temptation is to great...

Thanx to [MENTION=15518]jbailer[/MENTION] and sorry for his misfortune. He has given us insight into an issue that can potentially plague a lot of us.

Hats off to him for sharing and a speedy return to the road. (Please excuse the obvious pun)..:cheers:

 

[raidernixon]

So I just finished getting everything cleaned up and was putting it all back together and now I can't even torq down the lug nuts trying to re-install the wheel adapter. I had them all torqued down to 150 lb ft. When I pulled them off, they all felt fine and felt like a good 150 lb ft. Putting them back on, they wouldn't even torque to 80 lb ft. Any ideas? Did the lugs really all strip? Maybe something to do with the penetrating fluid I sprayed on there trying to get the adapters off?

What torque specs are recommended for the adapters you have?? The reason I ask is because the garage line brand adapters I got specified 80-85 ft/lbs adapter-to-hub and 80-85 ft/lbs wheel-to-adapter...I felt this was really low considering the factory wheel-to-hub specs are 150 ft/lbs (I think?)...but after over torquing and snapping a stud on a previous vehicle, I figured I wouldn't test it and just stayed with 85 ft/lbs all around. Just curious as to what the other adapter brands are calling for...

Sorry to hear about your ongoing nightmare of a "project"...

 

[BmacIL]

What torque specs are recommended for the adapters you have?? The reason I ask is because the garage line brand adapters I got specified 80-85 ft/lbs adapter-to-hub and 80-85 ft/lbs wheel-to-adapter...I felt this was really low considering the factory wheel-to-hub specs are 150 ft/lbs (I think?)...but after over torquing and snapping a stud on a previous vehicle, I figured I wouldn't test it and just stayed with 85 ft/lbs all around. Just curious as to what the other adapter brands are calling for...

Sorry to hear about your ongoing nightmare of a "project"...

Are the adapter to hub nuts acorn style like the lug nuts?

 

[raidernixon]

Are the adapter to hub nuts acorn style like the lug nuts?

If I recall correctly, yes they are (they are tapered down opposite of the hex-end). Unlike the lug nuts, the adapter-to-hub nuts are considerably shorter and the female thread is open/exposed at both ends of the nut.

 

[jbailer]

What torque specs are recommended for the adapters you have?? The reason I ask is because the garage line brand adapters I got specified 80-85 ft/lbs adapter-to-hub and 80-85 ft/lbs wheel-to-adapter...I felt this was really low considering the factory wheel-to-hub specs are 150 ft/lbs (I think?)...but after over torquing and snapping a stud on a previous vehicle, I figured I wouldn't test it and just stayed with 85 ft/lbs all around. Just curious as to what the other adapter brands are calling for...

Sorry to hear about your ongoing nightmare of a "project"...

That's kind of silly and shows a lack of understanding from the manufacturer (or me lol). The torque spec is derived from the bolts, in this case the studs. They are still unchanged stock from Ford. For that size hardware it was determined that 148 lb ft is the proper torque to achieve the necessary clamping force. The adapter company wouldn't determine the torque to bolt the adapter to the hub, that comes from Ford. The adapter manufacturer determines what the torque should be for the wheel on the adapter because it's there hardware that is holding the wheel on. And 80-85 lb ft?! They must be using some spindly hardware or not know how to spec it which is what I'm guessing the case is based on my prior comments. I don't know that I would trust only torquing my wheels to 80-85 and I damned sure wouldn't trust my wheel adapters torqued that light.

Coyote doesn't give a spec to torque the adapter to the hub and they shouldn't. The torque for the stud size on this adapter is 95 lb ft. I had the adapters torqued to 150 lb ft and the wheels torqued to 95 lb ft. Although I don't believe that had anything to do with them stripping. When I took the lug nuts off (before penetrating fluid) they were every bit of 150 lb ft tight and they threaded off normal. A couple days later after soaking with some killer penetrating fluid, I think I destroyed them. When I went to torque the lug nuts, I'm guessing they might have gotten to 60 lb ft, no effort at all.

Thanks for the sympathy. I'm not too hung up about it. Just another learning experience. Fortunately it didn't happen when I needed the car, I've been working from home a lot lately. I'm just hoping that others will see the thread and learn from my mistakes. I had no idea I needed to use aluminum anti-seize on the wheel adapters. In my opinion, the wheel adapter manufacturer should tell their customer that. I also learned about silver anti-seize and will now make that part of my routine. As a matter of fact, I think I'll start that when the car is new.

 

[BmacIL]

If the adapter to hub lugs have a 60 degree conical seat like the stock or aftermarket lugs, then they need to be torqued to 148 ft-lbs like stock. As stated above, the torque is to stretch the stud enough to create the proper clamp load. The adapter to wheel lugs may be a totally different story as it depends on the grade of steel they're made from.

 

[jbailer]

Well now I'm starting to stress out, I'm at a loss. I picked up brand new hubs from Ford today with the studs already pressed into them. I got everything all put back together and again when I went to install the wheel adapters I can't torque them down. I knocked one of the studs out and the splines on the stud feel ok but the hub feels pretty smooth. I'm definitely not over torquing them. I've taken the wheels on and off this car a lot and I know the feel of 100 lb ft, I wasn't even near that. This time I'm guessing I was at maybe 70 lb ft and they just spin. Anyone have any ideas? I'm getting desperate now. :frusty:

 

[BmacIL]

Well now I'm starting to stress out, I'm at a loss. I picked up brand new hubs from Ford today with the studs already pressed into them. I got everything all put back together and again when I went to install the wheel adapters I can't torque them down. I knocked one of the studs out and the splines on the stud feel ok but the hub feels pretty smooth. I'm definitely not over torquing them. I've taken the wheels on and off this car a lot and I know the feel of 100 lb ft, I wasn't even near that. This time I'm guessing I was at maybe 70 lb ft and they just spin. Anyone have any ideas? I'm getting desperate now. :frusty:

Sounds like the lugs for the adapters are F'd up.

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