Tuning/remapping

[Centurion07]

Is there any more info on this now a few more of us have cars?

Any recommendations on products and/or actual tuners?

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[MrWolf]

Andy Barrett has been hinting that something is soon coming from Ford. If it allows us to keep warranty, I intent to wait and see what it is (just wish we were given more info about this!!!)

 

[Gibbo205]

Hi there

Stock: 415 / 399
SCT 93 Canned: 435 / 418 - Big improvement on throttle and great torque down low, no positive knock, very safe, but still felt poor cold like stock map did.
JDM 93 Tune: 440 / 415 - Car drives the best on this map, silky smooth even when cold, fantastic part throttle and easier to launch than the SCT tune due to a more linear/torque graph.

I never tried Lund, but should also be great. They all offer a very noticeable difference over stock, but for me the JDM tune has simply superbly smooth throttle, it is lovely, now sport mode is better than race mode was stock, race is now super sensitive like cable throttle.

JDM for me gave superb drive abilty and a proven 25BHP / 25-30lb/ft gain, bear in mind I am still using the stock CAI as well. If I threw on a JLT, Roush, PMAS, Steeda should be around 455ish, but of course a CAI always looks good on a dyno, but in real world I am still sceptical.

 

[Centurion07]

Did you just get those installed on your car and off you went or were they tweaked at all?

I think I'm looking at an off the shelf tune installed by someone that can tweak it to take full advantage of my PMAS intake.

 

[MrWolf]

Did you just get those installed on your car and off you went or were they tweaked at all?

I think I'm looking at an off the shelf tune installed by someone that can tweak it to take full advantage of my PMAS intake.

Apparently, Lund has now got the PMAS dialled in

 

[Centurion07]

Oh?

 

[MrWolf]

I guess 'dialled in' might be much as I haven't seen any dyno results with the PMAS and Lund tune, however, he is sending people revised updates for the PMAS.

See post 205 in the following:-
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55216

 

[Gibbo205]

Did you just get those installed on your car and off you went or were they tweaked at all?

I think I'm looking at an off the shelf tune installed by someone that can tweak it to take full advantage of my PMAS intake.

Off the shelf. Our cars ECU is adaptive, it retards and advances timings so as long as the tuner is not too conservative or too aggressive it is all you need.

Also if you have the no tune version of the PMAS then you don't need a tuner who has the PMAS dialled in as to speak as you have the re-calibrated maf sensor so the tuner needs to do no dialling in as its already done on the maf sensor by PMAS. That is why they get such great gains with no tune, because they already tuned in as to speak on the maf sensor.

So all a tune will give you is the benefits of a tune which are great as I have proven with my car. With a tune you should be 450+ on a Maha dyno. But your best finding a decent dyno reasonably local, refit stock intake run car, fit PMAS intake run car, load tune and run car. Then you can see true gains if any.

Also make sure the car is cool but upto temperature when doing the run otherwise you will lose power big time as the sensors will retard timing due to heat.

For example when my car was hot on dyno, it made 424BHP, once things had cooled down to nominal and re-ran it made 440BHP.

 

[Centurion07]

Also if you have the no tune version of the PMAS then you don't need a tuner who has the PMAS dialled in as to speak as you have the re-calibrated maf sensor so the tuner needs to do no dialling in as its already done on the maf sensor by PMAS. That is why they get such great gains with no tune, because they already tuned in as to speak on the maf sensor.

Hmmm. I understand that the MAF knows the new airflow numbers which is what allows an install with nothing else needed, but I thought any off-the-shelf tune would need tweaking as it would be set up for the standard intake?

Surely a tune that is operating with standard airflow numbers needs to know that it is working with my PMAS intake? Hence MrWolf pointing out Lund are sending out revised tunes to take advantage of the PMAS system.

But your best finding a decent dyno reasonably local, refit stock intake run car, fit PMAS intake run car, load tune and run car. Then you can see true gains if any.

Ideally what I'd like to do. My closest rolling road doesn't do remapping themselves but will put you in touch with someone.

I'd prefer to use a recommended Mustang specialist but think I may have to travel for that.

Using your guy in Nottingham may be an option for me on the way up to the NC500...

 

[Stark]

Using your guy in Nottingham may be an option for me on the way up to the NC500...

OR on the way home just in case something should be wrong and it doesn't ruin your trip mate

 

[Centurion07]

OR on the way home just in case something should be wrong and it doesn't ruin your trip mate

But at least that way I can batter Gibbo for his personal recommendation!

 

[Gibbo205]

Hmmm. I understand that the MAF knows the new airflow numbers which is what allows an install with nothing else needed, but I thought any off-the-shelf tune would need tweaking as it would be set up for the standard intake?

Surely a tune that is operating with standard airflow numbers needs to know that it is working with my PMAS intake? Hence MrWolf pointing out Lund are sending out revised tunes to take advantage of the PMAS system.



Ideally what I'd like to do. My closest rolling road doesn't do remapping themselves but will put you in touch with someone.

I'd prefer to use a recommended Mustang specialist but think I may have to travel for that.

Using your guy in Nottingham may be an option for me on the way up to the NC500...

If you have no-tune version, PMAS provided MAF has the new airflow numbers pre-programmed into buddy, that is why its a no-tune version.

So when ordering the tune just tell the tuner its for stock intake, double check with PMAS but this is what he has pretty much said in his own thread.

No-tune: New air flow numbers pre-programmed to supplied maf.
Tune: Tuner needs to dial in new maf tables for air flow.




No offence I'd not let anyone in the UK tune my car, they have sod all experience with the Mustang and there is a lot of stuff that do not effect power but greatly improve the drive, stick to Lund, JDM etc. the guys who have tuned thousands of these cars and have it nailed down well.

 

[Gibbo205]

Stock vs SCT my car:

JDM vs SCT:

JDM tune loses a little torque (still big gains over stock) and gains a little power.

However the dyno does not show partial throttle drive and just how the car feels and on the JDM tune, wow, it really is something else.

 

[MrWolf]

No offence I'd not let anyone in the UK tune my car, they have sod all experience with the Mustang and there is a lot of stuff that do not effect power but greatly improve the drive, stick to Lund, JDM etc. the guys who have tuned thousands of these cars and have it nailed down well.

This.

I'm leaning towards Lund (but am willing to wait and see what/if Ford releases anything).

 

[Centurion07]

No offence I'd not let anyone in the UK tune my car, they have sod all experience with the Mustang and there is a lot of stuff that do not effect power but greatly improve the drive, stick to Lund, JDM etc. the guys who have tuned thousands of these cars and have it nailed down well.

I'm of the same thinking. Just need to find someone to do it.

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