Traction / fishtail

[bobpies]

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unfortunately im over in northern ireland.

on another note, i just had it out with wet mode activated and was unable to get it to get any significant wheel spin or go sideways so it seems that mode is pretty good at keeping the car under control.

definitely think ill keep it in that mode for now - no getting the willies everytime i accelerate.

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[NornIron91]

unfortunately im over in northern ireland.

on another note, i just had it out with wet mode activated and was unable to get it to get any significant wheel spin or go sideways so it seems that mode is pretty good at keeping the car under control.

definitely think ill keep it in that mode for now - no getting the willies everytime i accelerate.

Mine was only ever in wet mode for the first while after I picked it up and this was in June :lol:

 

[Centurion07]

no getting the willies everytime i accelerate.

I think you'll find that is the very reason for this car's existence.

 

[slowhand99]

I'm going to drive mine when it arrives exactly how I drive my little 65hp Clio 1.2 e.g. Foot to the floor when pulling out of a junction to get into a little gap or foot to the floor when pulling off a roundabout or foot to the floor when pulling onto a motorway/dual carriageway.
:lol:

Please, no one crash anymore until I at least get the new insurance sorted in June.

Please install a dash cam first and post the footage (or ask your next of kin to do it)

 

[bobpies]

I think you'll find that is the very reason for this car's existence.

That's a different kind of willy.

I'm talking about the kind of willy that goes sideways into oncoming traffic

 

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[Pong Lenis]

That's a different kind of willy.

I'm talking about the kind of willy that goes sideways into oncoming traffic

yep i did the same in mine on the drive home.
these cars you need to be real careful. my 2013 camaro never did it.well not much anyway

 

[benanderson89]

You will get mixed reviews but if your Pzeros are good up front there really isn't much need to replace them.

I don't see an issue of mixing tires as long as they aren't on the same axel.

IMO if you do replace tyres on the rear, get some with similar capabilities because I've got Kumho Ecstas on the back and the stock PZeros on the front. The net result is the front washing wide on roundabouts like a hot hatch.

That's a different kind of willy.

I'm talking about the kind of willy that goes sideways into oncoming traffic

This actually did happen to me. Sort of. It wasn't oncoming traffic but my font tyres felt the burning desire to slingshot themselves into the slow-lane of the 194M for a reason I have yet to fathom. If someone was beside me I'd be short one Mustang. The sudden jack-knifing made the rears break loose and I had to wrestle the car before the traction finally kicked in (was in normal mode) - I'm glad I know what counter steering is. The road is pretty uneven though, so I'd imagine it'd be a case of one front wheel hitting a bump or undulation that it took offence too.

The rear of the car behaves itself far better now that I have Kumho Ecsta Le Sports on the back (KU39, specifically). They're not Michelins by a long shot but IMO I like them better than the Pirellis, that's for sure, and they cost peanuts (£251.42 for two plus fitting).

 

[Gibbo205]

IMO if you do replace tyres on the rear, get some with similar capabilities because I've got Kumho Ecstas on the back and the stock PZeros on the front. The net result is the front washing wide on roundabouts like a hot hatch.



This actually did happen to me. Sort of. It wasn't oncoming traffic but my font tyres felt the burning desire to slingshot themselves into the slow-lane of the 194M for a reason I have yet to fathom. If someone was beside me I'd be short one Mustang. The sudden jack-knifing made the rears break loose and I had to wrestle the car before the traction finally kicked in (was in normal mode) - I'm glad I know what counter steering is. The road is pretty uneven though, so I'd imagine it'd be a case of one front wheel hitting a bump or undulation that it took offence too.

The rear of the car behaves itself far better now that I have Kumho Ecsta Le Sports on the back (KU39, specifically). They're not Michelins by a long shot but IMO I like them better than the Pirellis, that's for sure, and they cost peanuts (£251.42 for two plus fitting).

That is just car balance. You put more grip in the rear, understeer will be more pronounced. This is why I keep all 4 axles matched as I hate understeer with a passion once your pushing wide at speed there is so little you can do. Whereas at least with oversteer you have more options and can manipulate it a lot more.

I personally think pretty much any tyre will outperform the Pzero in cold wet weather as the Pzero is nothing short of shocking, yet in the review test it gets really good results, though my bets are because they are controlled test the tyres are fully upto operating temperature and as such properly switched on.

It is one thing I learned from doing track days, different brands of tyres switch on differently, some just work out the box immediately and others are like hard plastic with zero grip and take effort to get heat into them to switch them on.

I always found Michelin and Continental tyres to pretty much be switched on the moment you turn the key, their rubber, well the chemicals they put into the rubber just seem to make the tyre work in a far better temperature range, particular favouring the lower scale, which in the UK is more beneficial anyway as even our Summers are typical 20c, so we do not see the crazy hot 40c days like other countries at which point a lot of tyres would be go soft and greasy.

My view is if laptimes is not your goal and you just want a brilliant safe all year round tyre then the Rainsport 3 is pretty much the one to get, the grip level in the wet is like voodoo magic and they work well in cold temperatures, there only weakness is they get a bit vague and spongy feeling on warmer dry days and a dry track day can shred them pretty quick. I sacrifice a little cold/wet performance with the MPSS because of its subjective feedback and all manner of ability and the fact yes they cost a lot but they last for freaking ever in comparison to other tyres so in the end they actually work at no more expensive and in some cases cheaper.

 

[goldengooner]

You will get mixed reviews but if your Pzeros are good up front there really isn't much need to replace them.

I don't see an issue of mixing tires as long as they aren't on the same axel.

Minus 2 this morning, the heater in this car is brilliant, hit the RS and gave it 5mins the car was warm and all the windows were defrosted. put her on the ice mode, till got into London. then changed to normal. no problems at all, and i am running P Zeros AS

 

[marks]

When you look at tyre reviews online the results are so different, one will have, say, a MPSS as top three another will have it as a bottom three - crazy!

Although the one that seems to consistently be near the top is the Continental ContiSportContact - anyone had an experience on this one?

I would go for the MPSS but I understand by the time I get my car they won't have the MPSS anymore and the supposedly new Michelin tyre to replace the MPSS won't be sold in the Mustang sizes?

 

[Gibbo205]

When you look at tyre reviews online the results are so different, one will have, say, a MPSS as top three another will have it as a bottom three - crazy!

Although the one that seems to consistently be near the top is the Continental ContiSportContact - anyone had an experience on this one?

I would go for the MPSS but I understand by the time I get my car they won't have the MPSS anymore and the supposedly new Michelin tyre to replace the MPSS won't be sold in the Mustang sizes?

The ContiSportContact are generally very good, just make sure its a 5 or 6 as those are later ones, they generally beat the MPSS in wet conditions and hard braking.

The MPSS does tend to last longer and just has a nicer subjective feel. A few of my mates got the new 6P when it came out for their M3's they were impressed and said in the wet it was better than MPSS, in the dry it was just as good and subjectively it felt more or less as good. So they were happy!

The bad news came after a few track days, they needed replacing and they got only around half the amount of track miles compared to MPSS, so they went back to MPSS, LOL.

 

[marks]

Thanks but don't seem to do the 5 or 6 in the right size for the rears?

 

[Gloucesternige]

If you cant get the exact size you're looking for, this link will help you decide what available tyre will suit, or not as the case may be. http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Tire-Size-Calculator

I have 245/35 18 Conti 5's on one of my 86's. They are awesome in all conditions, except ice and snow obviously.

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