Tariffs?

[S550HPP]

This is a funny subject and comical when countries with significant Non Tariff Barriers (NTB) that by far overshadow actual fiscal tariffs, who have USA as their biggest trading partner, e.g like Canada @ 85% of exports to USA, spend all energy to push back against fair, free and reciprocal trade, as well as all others.

You know you're getting ripped off when you demand the counterparty deal with reciprocal terms and that party has a tantrum pretending to be the big boy in the room.

5 year olds in the play ground would settle this discussion in minutes.

Most will come to their senses after borrowing huge amounts of money to had out welfare to "protect" their citizens, like Canada.

Fair, free and reciprocal trade is the only path, at least between the G20 and OECD37 nations.

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[DRIVEN]

This is a funny subject and comical when countries with significant Non Tariff Barriers (NTB) that by far overshadow actual fiscal tariffs, who have USA as their biggest trading partner, e.g like Canada @ 85% of exports to USA, spend all energy to push back against fair, free and reciprocal trade, as well as all others.

You know you're getting ripped off when you demand the counterparty deal with reciprocal terms and that party has a tantrum pretending to be the big boy in the room.

5 year olds in the play ground would settle this discussion in minutes.

Most will come to their senses after borrowing huge amounts of money to had out welfare to "protect" their citizens, like Canada.

Fair, free and reciprocal trade is the only path, at least between the G20 and OECD37 nations.

I can tell you for a fact in Canada the only people in charge right now hate the US and Canada. All they want to do is to destroy both nations , and have us as vassal states of china.

 

[sk47]

I can tell you for a fact in Canada the only people in charge right now hate the US and Canada. All they want to do is to destroy both nations , and have us as vassal states of china.

Hello; For a few decades the world situation has seemed, to me, to be heading toward favoring global (multinational) corporations over nations. One aspect of such a scenario is for a standardizing of wages and benefits. For some places that might mean an uptick but for many, if not most, such would likely mean a reduction on of wages and benefits.
Guess I could throw in things such as environmental standards and red tape but i feel such is worthy of a thread all its own.
A sad part is so many of some, perhaps many, nations leaders have been playing into the hands of the multinational corporations. We get sold out much too often.
Guess in a way there are not huge differences in our views. Biggest perhaps being i do not see any one nation as the culprit. More a set of big companies/corporations which no longer hold any single national fealty.

 

[DRIVEN]

Hello; For a few decades the world situation has seemed, to me, to be heading toward favoring global (multinational) corporations over nations. One aspect of such a scenario is for a standardizing of wages and benefits. For some places that might mean an uptick but for many, if not most, such would likely mean a reduction on wages and benefits.
Guess I could throw in things such as environmental standards and red tape but i feel such is worthy of a thread all it's own.
A sad part is so many of some, perhaps many, nations leaders have been playing into the hands of the multinational corporations. We get sold out much too often.
Guess in a wat there are not huge differences in our views. Biggest perhaps being i do not see any one nation as the culprit. More a set of big companies/corporations which no longer hold any single national fealty.

There is a book out called "unrestricked warfare" it's a good read about how china should/will use the western "elites" to take over their nations without going to a shooting war.
Who are all at fault ? I'm sure lots of shitheads with money to make on the backs of all us hard working regluar people that just want to enjoy life and the furits of our labour.
The people who understand this are standing up now. Those who still haven't figured it out , just haven't got there yet , I hope they do for their families sake.

 

[sk47]

a book out called "unrestricked warfare" i

Hello; I will look for it.

 

[Torinate]

Well, I’m pretty sure with this fiasco there is basically 1 then 2 people that caused it. The others came in as a response to the initial jaw drop shake your head laugh and cry first move. So yea, there’s someone 1000% at the root cause. To think otherwise is foolish.
It’s interesting to watch though - the people that see and know the issues are easy to spot. The ones with no clue are easy to spot as well.

 

[S550HPP]

In the end free and fair trade based on reciprocity it the only sustainable model.

US put up with CN for a long time who paid for the rights to abuse by purchasing over $1TN in govt bonds. Vendor finance is a wonderful captive customer practice.

Abusers and cheaters never want to forfeit their "entitlements".

Taking on the world's biggest customer trying to tell them how it's going deal with the vendor is just a remnant of COVID welfare society who became so entitled they lost 50-80% of customers.

The vendors always capitulate to reasonable demands based on fairness and reciprocity or they lose the business.

Canada needs to fold fast because an already poor country with worlds highest consumer debt with many reliant on extend and pretend learned in GFC, worst economy in OECD37, 30% poverty rate, 25% using food banks and 50% kids don't have lunch.

 

[Torinate]

In the end free and fair trade based on reciprocity it the only sustainable model.

US put up with CN for a long time who paid for the rights to abuse by purchasing over $1TN in govt bonds. Vendor finance is a wonderful captive customer practice.

Abusers and cheaters never want to forfeit their "entitlements".

Taking on the world's biggest customer trying to tell them how it's going deal with the vendor is just a remnant of COVID welfare society who became so entitled they lost 50-80% of customers.

The vendors always capitulate to reasonable demands based on fairness and reciprocity or they lose the business.

Canada needs to fold fast because an already poor country with worlds highest consumer debt with many reliant on extend and pretend learned in GFC, worst economy in OECD37, 30% poverty rate, 25% using food banks and 50% kids don't have lunch.

I have note idea what CN or TN means in your post.
There is no way Canada folds here. Canada is 100% in the right. Ask the US experts…

I’m not sure where your stats come from as well.

US has a higher debt percentage than Canada does.

US poverty rate is actually higher as well… sorry.

Child poverty rates are also higher in the US.

Interesting, from the stats I can find on school lunches, it’s 4% without a lunch. Heavily swayed by “out smoking and not eating” behaviours.

But enough of the silly rhetoric. I’m sure we all have people we worship and believe everything they say no matter how silly or asinine it is.

The Stats are fairly close on many things - but I wasn’t able to find one where the US outshines Canada. And I looked… I’d like to move back one day.

Wait! Unemployment rates. Well, ok. But only because they’re calculated differently. If same metrics are used Canada would edge out…

Completely agree with the free and fair trade based on reciprocity comments! That is absolute truth!

Abusers and cheaters never want to forfeit their "entitlements". Again. Completely agree.

 

[S550HPP]

Haha if you don't know what TN or CN denotes you just answered the questions of why Canada is the worst performing economy in the G20 and OECD37 for last years and projected to decline even further until 2035 at least.

Fact is Canada is already allocation BNs more in welfare for citizens and companies that will suffer because of all the NTBs blocking fair and free trade.

 

[DRIVEN]

I have note idea what CN or TN means in your post.
There is no way Canada folds here. Canada is 100% in the right. Ask the US experts…

I’m not sure where your stats come from as well.

US has a higher debt percentage than Canada does.

US poverty rate is actually higher as well… sorry.

Child poverty rates are also higher in the US.

Interesting, from the stats I can find on school lunches, it’s 4% without a lunch. Heavily swayed by “out smoking and not eating” behaviours.

But enough of the silly rhetoric. I’m sure we all have people we worship and believe everything they say no matter how silly or asinine it is.

The Stats are fairly close on many things - but I wasn’t able to find one where the US outshines Canada. And I looked… I’d like to move back one day.

Wait! Unemployment rates. Well, ok. But only because they’re calculated differently. If same metrics are used Canada would edge out…

Completely agree with the free and fair trade based on reciprocity comments! That is absolute truth!

Abusers and cheaters never want to forfeit their "entitlements". Again. Completely agree.

Canada is well on it's way to having a 50% lower GDP than the US. (Thank you Libtards)
THAT IS CRIPPLING !!!
stop letting the bullshit news "experts" tell you your TDS is justified !

 

[Torinate]

I agree with the Libtards comment. The 50% complete BS. Stop taking someones conjectured “opinion” and instead look at facts.

No idea what a TDS is?

I see you’re near to me in Ontario. So, is you’re thinking we accept the tariffs as they are? If we do, we are signing away how many thousands of jobs. Hope you have a spare bedroom or 3 in your home. As it is, Honda is planning to move south regardless of what they said (full denial and an oh shite they found out!). Aliston is close to you - open up them doors. Never mind all the car parts manufacturers having to close up shop. I live in a small town 1:20 from you and there’s actually 3 different auto parts plants within 20km of me that would be belly up! So many more.

So unless we actually do something, we’re all kind of screwed. Actually, interestingly enough, same issue that the US is facing with not having Canada as a trade partner. Kinda screwed.

Fair and sensible trade is the only answer. If things continue on the path one person thinks is good, global economy goes out the window.

You don’t have to like or listen or even believe what I’m saying. Just do a little homework. What does Canada (or even southern Ontario alone!) look like with thousands of good paying jobs - jobs that allow people to buy new cars and houses and live comfortably - not rich - lost. Where do those people go for work? In what industry? In the meantime, who pays their EI benefits? Who pays their mortgage and car payments? Want to talk depression - far past recession - ? I’m in healthcare. Sure there’s OHIP. But if our own clueless keeps going we’ll all be paying out of pocket. That’s exactly what the out of work automotive manufacturer or parts guy with a house, wife and 2 kids and 2 cars needs because they are newly unemployed due to spineless actions. You can be the first person to apologize and provide them some cash for groceries.

Unless you have a plan. I’d love to hear it.

What makes sense to you.

Sorry if I’ve offended anyone. Desperate times really. Or rather chaos. So many people talking out their butts that have no life experience, no memory of previous happenings and no idea how the economy and free and fair trade work. It’s sad.

 

[Torinate]

Haha if you don't know what TN or CN denotes you just answered the questions of why Canada is the worst performing economy in the G20 and OECD37 for last years and projected to decline even further until 2035 at least.

Fact is Canada is already allocation BNs more in welfare for citizens and companies that will suffer because of all the NTBs blocking fair and free trade.

You are aware how these are calculated right? Right?

 

[Torinate]

Sorry. Just one more comment and then I’ll step aside and let the experts take over.

I am actually disappointed that the comments come out but no semblance or idea of any sort of solution or direction. It’s almost as if some people are hoping that Canada (and US) fall into some long dark depression. That’s really too bad.

As someone who lived in the US and is still licensed and able to practice in the US and visits frequently, I truly hope there is an amenable solution to this. As it currently stands, both countries have lost so much already and stand to lose just about everything because of, well…

So if you’re on this thread already or new here, post up some solutions instead.

 

[HOWABOUT.]

To give us Canadians a sample I just received rear flaps for my Mach 1 from Jaeger Brothers in the US and the break down for the total price is as follows.
price $80 + $26 delivery is $106 US or $147 CDN
Import charges which is brokerage fees plus HST is $57 CDN
Total price is $204 CDN for an item that is $80 US

Also ordered a tow hook which is on its way so i'm wondering how much that will be. No mention of tariffs.

 

[sk47]

Hello; While i find the fuss between Canadians in this thread of interest, the content is confusing. My general interpretation of tariffs is those making out well under the old system will be hollering loudest when things change. Those who were not making out well at all will be hoping for things to start going their way.
A truth is for manufacturing to reestablish in the USA will take some time. Maybe years. Likely the same for Canadian companies. So, the member ordering a tow hook will have to pay the extra freight in the meantime. Same for me if I need a foreign made part.

I do not know the condition of national finances for Canada. I do have some idea for the USA. Seemed to me something drastic has been needed for many years. I supported Ross Peroit back in the day and did hear the metaphoric "giant sucking sound" as more jobs left.

A thing which has loomed big so far is a sort of tough guy stand so many leaders have taken. It is not exactly a national pride pissing contest. I do hope there is some truth that 175 countries are willing to sit down like adults and try to work out sensible trade policies.

Canada and the USA have had some golden geese in terms of cars and car parts. I do not quite get the willingness to risk those geese over whatever it is going on right now.

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