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ctandc72

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Trying not to stall isn't the "practice" we are discussing. It is the engage & bite points of YOUR clutch and learning where those are...! :like:
Understood. Just asking - have you set in a '19 GT Mustang 6 speed at idle and just let out the clutch? I can tell you unless you're really trying - you can't stall it.
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What are everyone's thoughts on double-clutching? Waste of time? Wear out the throw-out bearing? Make the synchromesh last forever?
I guess you could look at double-clutching as rev-matching carried to an extreme. Everything gets rev matched, not just the engine, flywheel and pressure plate (the clutch disc, transmission input shaft and countershaft can't rev-match with the clutch pedal depressed). This may or may not involve greater throwout bearing wear - the total time of the two clutch pedal disengagements may not be all that much greater than the total time you hold the clutch disengaged for a simple rev-match. It probably does extend synchro life somewhat. I've never worn out a set of synchros, though I did manage to fracture the synchro hub of a light-duty Saginaw into three separate pieces when asking it to put up with the torque of a moderately healthy 350 SBC.

Double clutching is a valid alternative technique when brake and throttle pedal placement doesn't work for you (more so if your brake pads have strong bite). And it's a useful skill even for the first couple of 1-2 upshifts on a cold morning when the clutch disc and input side of the transmission slow down too quickly because the gear oil is still too cold to flow as nicely as it does once warmed up.

I've double-clutched most downshifts for as long as I can remember, partly because the synchro action of transmissions in some of the early cars I drove was light (easy to beat). But I've never worn out a throwout bearing before it was time to replace the clutch - and that's with no clutch-abusing riding-the-clutch dragstrip-style launching.

What 3star said - it also smooths out the drive for the passenger . . . and either technique avoids momentarily upsetting rear tire grip. Done correctly, either technique can make for a shift that your passenger doesn't feel and might not even realize what you did if they didn't see you shift.


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For maximum acceleration, I shift above 7K rpm, push the clutch to the floor, pull it down into 2nd or shove it up into 3rd, mat it and dump the clutch as fast as you can. The faster you can do all this, the better you'll get. You can't baby it if you're trying to achieve maximum acceleration.
Will this cause issues? See my most recent post I made today, when I dump the clutch and floor it i get extremely hard shifts that slam the car and feel like it's about to snap something. It ends up with burning oil smells, smoke from the exhaust, and water or fluid leaking from the top of the tranny. Is the extremely hard shift just me not matching the floor it and dump it correctly or is the violent slam as clutch catches normal? Normal shifting I used to slowly release the clutch but it doesn't work anymore for whatever reason so I've been alternating pausing for a second with it down to drop rpms even though I have rev hang tuned out they still hang a bit. Or releasing to about 1/4 into bite zone and holding it then slowly releasing from there. Both methods still end up with a jerk or jolt sometimes. First has a tendency to let me slip it and rev up and move slowly before it'll just clunk and catch even without letting it out fully.
 

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Will this cause issues? See my most recent post I made today, when I dump the clutch and floor it i get extremely hard shifts that slam the car and feel like it's about to snap something. It ends up with burning oil smells, smoke from the exhaust, and water or fluid leaking from the top of the tranny. Is the extremely hard shift just me not matching the floor it and dump it correctly or is the violent slam as clutch catches normal? Normal shifting I used to slowly release the clutch but it doesn't work anymore for whatever reason so I've been alternating pausing for a second with it down to drop rpms even though I have rev hang tuned out they still hang a bit. Or releasing to about 1/4 into bite zone and holding it then slowly releasing from there. Both methods still end up with a jerk or jolt sometimes. First has a tendency to let me slip it and rev up and move slowly before it'll just clunk and catch even without letting it out fully.
Sounds like you may have already burnt your clutch. The smell is most likely the clutch slipping. Not sure about the smoke (maybe from clutch, not exhaust) or fluid leaking. When you are shifting at 7K, I certainly wouldn’t call it smooth, but it shouldn’t feel like you’re trying to break something either. I personally think the manual in the 2018+ Mustang is one of the easiest manuals I’ve ever driven. With the exception of the bite point of the clutch being a little numb to figure out, the gears go in nice and crisp through the gates. I’ve personally never experienced the high rpm lockouts that some people experience. I have no complaints with the Getrag, and that’s coming from the Tremec in my GTO.
 

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Sounds like you may have already burnt your clutch. The smell is most likely the clutch slipping. Not sure about the smoke (maybe from clutch, not exhaust) or fluid leaking. When you are shifting at 7K, I certainly wouldn’t call it smooth, but it shouldn’t feel like you’re trying to break something either. I personally think the manual in the 2018+ Mustang is one of the easiest manuals I’ve ever driven. With the exception of the bite point of the clutch being a little numb to figure out, the gears go in nice and crisp through the gates. I’ve personally never experienced the high rpm lockouts that some people experience. I have no complaints with the Getrag, and that’s coming from the Tremec in my GTO.
Any suggestions on my shifting then atleast for around town? Release it slowly the entire time or do what I've been messing with, release a bit until I think I'm roughly at bitezone then hold it for a second and let it out slower from there or should I not hold it and just be slow the entire time? Sometimes no matter what I do it won't be smooth and it'll be clunky and clangy even just clutch in fully and shifting to 2nd it's clunks and clangs before I even release the clutch.
 

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Buy an auto or keep practicing. Anytime you release the clutch slowly you are slipping the clutch. Slow until it bites, then release it. It’s kind of hard to offer advice when you’re not there. If it “clunks and clangs” with the clutch all the way in, as you say, you may have bigger issues than your driving skill.
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