LE Production

[frriveramd]

A friend of mine, whom ordered his LE the same day I did (May 20th, though dealer submitted order on the 22nd), through same dealer I ordered (we went together for the ordering of our cars), is still waiting for his VIN.

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[easymoney]

Will people honestly pay 70k for this car? As much as I am ready to show this thing off I will sell it in a heartbeat. Where else besides ebay would be a surefire way to list for a ridiculous amount of money?

 

[Wblv17]

Will people honestly pay 70k for this car? As much as I am ready to show this thing off I will sell it in a heartbeat. Where else besides ebay would be a surefire way to list for a ridiculous amount of money?

That would be easy money, cars.com and autotrader:shocked:

 

[SVTFreak]

Will people honestly pay 70k for this car? As much as I am ready to show this thing off I will sell it in a heartbeat. Where else besides ebay would be a surefire way to list for a ridiculous amount of money?

There are people out there who will pay good money for it. And as more people find out (ford didn't do a lot of advertising on it) who had that certain emotional tie to the first mustangs may be willing.

 

[Madlock]

There are people out there who will pay good money for it. And as more people find out (ford didn't do a lot of advertising on it) who had that certain emotional tie to the first mustangs may be willing.

For the REAL money, there needs to be at least one more person with interest than cars available. LOL

You're especially right about the emotional tie - which also will tend to be among older buyers and likely explains the relatively high take rate for Automatics. I also wouldn't be surprised if it also impacts the color mix which stands at 70/30 White to Blue. White IS a more popular color than blue for Mustang, but not nearly by that kind of ratio. With Wimbledon being one of the original launch colors and Kona not, I suspect the authenticity may be a strong factor driving many decisions above and beyond mere color preference.

A LOT of the $10K ADM deals made early won't ever get inked. Plenty of reasonably-priced allocations are still available which, since the cars don't show in dealer inventory, are a matter of working the phones to find. Many stores are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle by being a relatively remote store and selling their one and only allocation to someone in town with more cash and desire than ambition or sense, but prices will quickly level before somewhere like Gaudin buys-up the last few and tries to hold everybody hostage. Working heavily in buyers' favor is the simultaneous changeover and slow rolling of Mustang and F-150 which is absolutely killing many dealers since Ford is intent upon laying off both inventory and incentives for outgoing models. Increasing numbers of stores would rather have a bird in the hand at MSRP than a maybe at $10K two months from now.

Of course, a handful inevitably will command $10K+ ADMs and become the mythology that fuels dealers' willingness to abuse their territorial monopolies again in the future. After all, Ford pays the incentives to move overstock which effectively makes NO deal a bad deal as far as dealers are concerned. But Ford doesn't reap an extra nickel of any premium dealers are able to wring from buyers. But that's an entirely different harangue.

The biggest challenge for some will be the relatively few made available to some geographic areas. Of the first 800 or so, about 150 are going to Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico and even far-flung places like Algeria. Strip-out another 40-plus being distributed to dealers in and around Dearborn (Sellers and Village already have 6 or more each) and the high percentage going to the true Mustang market bastions like TX, CA, and FL, and precious few cars remain available per square mile to the average Nebraskan whose nearest 20 stores may only have 2-3 among them in total.

Beyond those megamarkets, that leaves less than 50% of the cars for the remainder of the nation which, if distributed even to each state (which they won't be), only about 1 in every 3 dealers ever will see one which, because production is occurring at a rate of 15-30 per day, means a 3-4 month delivery span and only about 1 in every 6 every may have one in the pipe at any given point in time which means most of the country will find availability a relative rarity - bearing in-mind that just shy of half were placed as retail orders which ostensibly already have waiting buyers.

In short, in a handful of particularly strong Mustang markets, LEs will be even more available than GT500s. For the remainder, they'll be a far harder find, especially on a local basis. Of the first 700 or so built for the U.S., about 550 represent the one and only car each dealer will receive so far. In Canada, virtually NO dealers have more than 1 for a land mass that's one hell of a lot less dense than most of the continental U.S. By contrast, at least so far, about 15% of the U.S.-destined LEs are headed for just 32 dealerships.

About the best recourse anybody has for the handful of dealers that will hang onto them and truly try to profiteer will be to hope they choke on them and burn up their floorplans with carrying costs. It would be nice if Ford were to implement a system like Chrysler is adopting for its Viper, Hellcat and some limited production SRT products which is almost entirely on a "turn and earn" basis. Dealers get an allocation and larger stores with proven volumes may get more than one at the same time, but they don't get another until the first one they're given is sold - which is done EXPRESSLY to prevent dealers from abusing the territorial monopolies upon product franchise laws create and help to encourage, to the greatest extent possible, that as many products are put in the hands of as many expectant buyers as quickly as possible.

 

[thaext]

For the REAL money, there needs to be at least one more person with interest than cars available. LOL

You're especially right about the emotional tie - which also will tend to be among older buyers and likely explains the relatively high take rate for Automatics. I also wouldn't be surprised if it also impacts the color mix which stands at 70/30 White to Blue. White IS a more popular color than blue for Mustang, but not nearly by that kind of ratio. With Wimbledon being one of the original launch colors and Kona not, I suspect the authenticity may be a strong factor driving many decisions above and beyond mere color preference.

A LOT of the $10K ADM deals made early won't ever get inked. Plenty of reasonably-priced allocations are still available which, since the cars don't show in dealer inventory, are a matter of working the phones to find. Many stores are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle by being a relatively remote store and selling their one and only allocation to someone in town with more cash and desire than ambition or sense, but prices will quickly level before somewhere like Gaudin buys-up the last few and tries to hold everybody hostage. Working heavily in buyers' favor is the simultaneous changeover and slow rolling of Mustang and F-150 which is absolutely killing many dealers since Ford is intent upon laying off both inventory and incentives for outgoing models. Increasing numbers of stores would rather have a bird in the hand at MSRP than a maybe at $10K two months from now.

Of course, a handful inevitably will command $10K+ ADMs and become the mythology that fuels dealers' willingness to abuse their territorial monopolies again in the future. After all, Ford pays the incentives to move overstock which effectively makes NO deal a bad deal as far as dealers are concerned. But Ford doesn't reap an extra nickel of any premium dealers are able to wring from buyers. But that's an entirely different harangue.

The biggest challenge for some will be the relatively few made available to some geographic areas. Of the first 800 or so, about 150 are going to Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico and even far-flung places like Algeria. Strip-out another 40-plus being distributed to dealers in and around Dearborn (Sellers and Village already have 6 or more each) and the high percentage going to the true Mustang market bastions like TX, CA, and FL, and precious few cars remain available per square mile to the average Nebraskan whose nearest 20 stores may only have 2-3 among them in total.

Beyond those megamarkets, that leaves less than 50% of the cars for the remainder of the nation which, if distributed even to each state (which they won't be), only about 1 in every 3 dealers ever will see one which, because production is occurring at a rate of 15-30 per day, means a 3-4 month delivery span and only about 1 in every 6 every may have one in the pipe at any given point in time which means most of the country will find availability a relative rarity - bearing in-mind that just shy of half were placed as retail orders which ostensibly already have waiting buyers.

In short, in a handful of particularly strong Mustang markets, LEs will be even more available than GT500s. For the remainder, they'll be a far harder find, especially on a local basis. Of the first 700 or so built for the U.S., about 550 represent the one and only car each dealer will receive so far. In Canada, virtually NO dealers have more than 1 for a land mass that's one hell of a lot less dense than most of the continental U.S. By contrast, at least so far, about 15% of the U.S.-destined LEs are headed for just 32 dealerships.

About the best recourse anybody has for the handful of dealers that will hang onto them and truly try to profiteer will be to hope they choke on them and burn up their floorplans with carrying costs. It would be nice if Ford were to implement a system like Chrysler is adopting for its Viper, Hellcat and some limited production SRT products which is almost entirely on a "turn and earn" basis. Dealers get an allocation and larger stores with proven volumes may get more than one at the same time, but they don't get another until the first one they're given is sold - which is done EXPRESSLY to prevent dealers from abusing the territorial monopolies upon product franchise laws create and help to encourage, to the greatest extent possible, that as many products are put in the hands of as many expectant buyers as quickly as possible.

Very eloquently stated!!!! Words cannot express how much pure hatred and I MEAN pure hatred I have of asshole, scumbag car dealers that are preventing me from getting the LE.... On autotrader/cars.com there are tons that are in the 60-70k range, and I know, no way in hell its gonna sell, the worst case scenario, it will be collecting dust in the showroom floor where it will be exposed to people touching it, potentially being damaged by kids etc...

 

[MyMustangVault]

Congrats! It'll be there before you know it.

Get the rail car number and watch it's progress. It's soothing and exciting all at once.

I will probably end up asking my dealer for the rail car number. Hope he does not get mad at me.

The most confusing part is that Pontiac MI is WAY north of the Flat Rock plant. I'm in Texas....and that car needs to come south not north!

 

[SVTFreak]

I will probably end up asking my dealer for the rail car number. Hope he does not get mad at me.



The most confusing part is that Pontiac MI is WAY north of the Flat Rock plant. I'm in Texas....and that car needs to come south not north!

I asked my dealer for it. He didn't mind.

True but it leads to less time waiting. In order for it to get out, it has to go up to meet the main line running to Chicago. Guess the line running west isn't the same company. Rail tracks are a funny business and, actually, a wonder in logistics. How to get that much material moved both ways on one set of tracks.

Anyway, I digress. Detroit/flat rock is an extension from a large Chicago rail yard, best I can tell. So rather build two tracks going that way, they built one and spurred down.

In the end, as seems to be being proven by a couple of other cars, leaving and going that way appears to be faster than leaving on a truck to a rail loading point that goes lord knows where.

My fleet manager was telling me a little about it. Many years ago, a strike in Baton Rouge offloading point left many many cars sitting unable to ship out. Backed up all over. So ford diversified their shipping strategy with many many loading and unloading points run by different companies to prevent that in the future. Now that I look, many of them do cross each other. Example, easy money and I are 60 miles apart. Canadian national goes past Jackson, were mine is at to be transferred to truck, to New Orleans. Yet his shipped on a completely different method and rail. If there was a problem at Jackson, they could ship my car the same way they shipping his. If there was a problem where his was loaded or unloaded, they could reroute it the way mine came. Same with MC's car. So the seemingly unorganized shipping channels now make more sense if you look at the what ifs.

I will say this. Mine got spotted at customer to offload today. If it gets offloaded and here with no delays, I will have gotten very very lucky.

 

[SVTFreak]

The rail car with mine was spotted actual (should mean it's been placed at the offloading spot) last night. Is it too much to hope that it gets on a truck today as soon as it's offloaded and makes the 3 hour truck ride here?

 

[kulfyur]

For the REAL money, there needs to be at least one more person with interest than cars available. LOL

You're especially right about the emotional tie - which also will tend to be among older buyers and likely explains the relatively high take rate for Automatics. I also wouldn't be surprised if it also impacts the color mix which stands at 70/30 White to Blue. White IS a more popular color than blue for Mustang, but not nearly by that kind of ratio. With Wimbledon being one of the original launch colors and Kona not, I suspect the authenticity may be a strong factor driving many decisions above and beyond mere color preference.

A LOT of the $10K ADM deals made early won't ever get inked. Plenty of reasonably-priced allocations are still available which, since the cars don't show in dealer inventory, are a matter of working the phones to find. Many stores are hoping to catch lightning in a bottle by being a relatively remote store and selling their one and only allocation to someone in town with more cash and desire than ambition or sense, but prices will quickly level before somewhere like Gaudin buys-up the last few and tries to hold everybody hostage. Working heavily in buyers' favor is the simultaneous changeover and slow rolling of Mustang and F-150 which is absolutely killing many dealers since Ford is intent upon laying off both inventory and incentives for outgoing models. Increasing numbers of stores would rather have a bird in the hand at MSRP than a maybe at $10K two months from now.

Of course, a handful inevitably will command $10K+ ADMs and become the mythology that fuels dealers' willingness to abuse their territorial monopolies again in the future. After all, Ford pays the incentives to move overstock which effectively makes NO deal a bad deal as far as dealers are concerned. But Ford doesn't reap an extra nickel of any premium dealers are able to wring from buyers. But that's an entirely different harangue.

The biggest challenge for some will be the relatively few made available to some geographic areas. Of the first 800 or so, about 150 are going to Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico and even far-flung places like Algeria. Strip-out another 40-plus being distributed to dealers in and around Dearborn (Sellers and Village already have 6 or more each) and the high percentage going to the true Mustang market bastions like TX, CA, and FL, and precious few cars remain available per square mile to the average Nebraskan whose nearest 20 stores may only have 2-3 among them in total.

Beyond those megamarkets, that leaves less than 50% of the cars for the remainder of the nation which, if distributed even to each state (which they won't be), only about 1 in every 3 dealers ever will see one which, because production is occurring at a rate of 15-30 per day, means a 3-4 month delivery span and only about 1 in every 6 every may have one in the pipe at any given point in time which means most of the country will find availability a relative rarity - bearing in-mind that just shy of half were placed as retail orders which ostensibly already have waiting buyers.

In short, in a handful of particularly strong Mustang markets, LEs will be even more available than GT500s. For the remainder, they'll be a far harder find, especially on a local basis. Of the first 700 or so built for the U.S., about 550 represent the one and only car each dealer will receive so far. In Canada, virtually NO dealers have more than 1 for a land mass that's one hell of a lot less dense than most of the continental U.S. By contrast, at least so far, about 15% of the U.S.-destined LEs are headed for just 32 dealerships.

About the best recourse anybody has for the handful of dealers that will hang onto them and truly try to profiteer will be to hope they choke on them and burn up their floorplans with carrying costs. It would be nice if Ford were to implement a system like Chrysler is adopting for its Viper, Hellcat and some limited production SRT products which is almost entirely on a "turn and earn" basis. Dealers get an allocation and larger stores with proven volumes may get more than one at the same time, but they don't get another until the first one they're given is sold - which is done EXPRESSLY to prevent dealers from abusing the territorial monopolies upon product franchise laws create and help to encourage, to the greatest extent possible, that as many products are put in the hands of as many expectant buyers as quickly as possible.

Yep. Though I was a bit impulsive initially, that's why I ultimately bit the bullet for $10k over. There is just a bit of a scarcity in my area. I'd have to make multiple out of state trips to POSSIBLY get reserve one. I figured if I move that time and money from travel, searching, and out of state taxes to OT I'll make that $10k mark up and guarantee my car.

The rail car with mine was spotted actual (should mean it's been placed at the offloading spot) last night. Is it too much to hope that it gets on a truck today as soon as it's offloaded and makes the 3 hour truck ride here?

Nope. Thought I'm secretly hating over here, I want you to get your car now so i can live vicariously through you I'll I wait. We want a butt ton of pictures too... make sure you get at least 1 good picture of the metallic flakes too. I want to see them if it's metallic.

 

[car.a5]

did they raise the price of the LE? check out this window sticker http://researchmaniacs.com/VIN-Number-Lookup/WindowSticker/FordSticker.html?title=1FA6P8RF3F5500683



PRICE CANADA

 

[wilkinda65]

I was given a VIN# this morning but something looks off on it. Can someone check for me on VIN# 1FA6P8RF5F5501141

 

[SVTFreak]

I was given a VIN# this morning but something looks off on it. Can someone check for me on VIN# 1FA6P8RF5F5501141

Nope. That's a good vin number. What's off to you?

Kilfyur, mine is white, not metallic. But I will get pictures up as soon as I can once it's here. Hoping to be first LE and first white LE in the board hehe

 

[wilkinda65]

Nope. That's a good vin number. What's off to you?

Kilfyur, mine is white, not metallic. But I will get pictures up as soon as I can once it's here. Hoping to be first LE and first white LE in the board hehe

The screen shot my dealer sent me said DIB GT Conv but it had that unique LE VIN.

Glad it's a good number!!! now gotta find out when she is scheduled!!:shocked:

 

[SVTFreak]

The screen shot my dealer sent me said DIB GT Conv but it had that unique LE VIN.



Glad it's a good number!!! now gotta find out when she is scheduled!!:shocked:

No, the number he sent has to be a 50th. See P8R? That's the body code for the 50th cars. Only 1964. Gt is different (don't recall but could easily be found). Also, see the 55 after the second f? That's also unique to the 50th cars. All others are f53xxxxx.

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