GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

So now you're saying the cars at Nurburgring were RACECARS?!?!

So then a 'street' car version never was at Nurburgring, never set a time, and never went faster than the Z28...

I love how you twist facts around without thinking everything through, and argue facts with conjecture. You will flip around any information to fit and support your fantasy world, and if it doesn't, you'll make up information for it to work and make sense.

Anyone with common sense can see right through you.

I'm just saying you don't know sh!t.

How long did Ford test an S550 under an S197 BIW?

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[Stuntman]

I'm just saying you don't know sh!t.

How long did Ford test an S550 under an S197 BIW?

Please elaborate. I want to hear how you backpedal from this...

So if the Nurburgring cars were racecars (because the racecar came first), then all of your claims of the 350's performance at the nurburgring are null and void.

So which one is it? Were you wrong about the 350 street car's Nurburgring performance, or were you wrong about the street car being developed from the racecar?

Or are you now going to claim that racecar versions of the 350 were tested under S197 BIWs? Because if street car versions were tested under S197s, then that would still mean the street car came first...

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[thePill]

Please elaborate. I want to hear how you backpedal from this...

So if the Nurburgring cars were racecars (because the racecar came first), then all of your claims of the 350's performance at the nurburgring are null and void.

So which one is it? Were you wrong about the 350 street car's Nurburgring performance, or were you wrong about the street car being developed from the racecar?

Or are you now going to claim that racecar versions of the 350 were tested under S197 BIWs? Because if street car versions were tested under S197s, then that would still mean the street car came first...

opcorn:

I think any amount of elaboration beyond what you already know (sh!t) would result in little or no gain.

I have no intentions on following you down an endless Rabbit hole of self-preservation and redemption.

The press release from Ford in 2 weeks and 4 days will shut you up... This is all just a build up to that release. As was ALL the other "lies" I spewed through my teeth.

I think you are the only one not catching on... thePill is obviously on to something. I can't just accurately guess everything I talk about conveniently right before the press release.... you crazy person...

 

[thePill]

A 2015 z28 Tracked COTA yesterday, ran with 289 degree water temps.

UNSATISFACTORY...

That LS7 HAS to be heat soaked, it's gotta be pulling timing.

Should have tested in traffic :lol:

Had a lot of fun running at COTA yesterday and conditions were good(if hot and very humid) are your thing! ;-)

That being the case the car performed very well but did get hot(298-302) after a few hard laps. There was some serious machinery out there so my car felt rather pedestrian on the straight...

During the 2nd session I ran three consecutive laps between 2:35.3 and 2:35.6 which I was happy with as I was on a lesser tire than the awesome Pirelli Trofeo's. I found some Hankook Ventus RS-3's on closeout at Tire Rack for $800/set and had to try them. The Pirellis were $2600 which is a chunk of change.

The car had less overall grip with them and seemed to push more in slower turns. I'd guesstimate they were 2-3 sec a lap slower than the Pirellis on a track of this size.

Here is a fun video from the final and hottest session.

Reports last year had z28's reaching 300 degrees!!! Yeah!!! We tested it!!!

 

[Sabre]

I think any amount of elaboration beyond what you already know (sh!t) would result in little or no gain.

I have no intentions on following you down an endless Rabbit hole of self-preservation and redemption.

The press release from Ford in 2 weeks and 4 days will shut you up... This is all just a build up to that release. As was ALL the other "lies" I spewed through my teeth.

I think you are the only one not catching on... thePill is obviously on to something. I can't just accurately guess everything I talk about conveniently right before the press release.... you crazy person...

Nope....Stuntman has you dead to rights.

Your logic suits you....only when it suits you. When it doesn't...you just change it to make it fit the day.

You zig zag and back track so much, even you don't know where you are in your story!

 

[thePill]

Nope....Stuntman has you dead to rights.

Your logic suits you....only when it suits you. When it doesn't...you just change it to make it fit the day.

You zig zag and back track so much, even you don't know where you are in your story!

Awwwww.... If Logic, Math, Geometry and Fact all meet up at thePill, chances are he could be correct.

Everything I discussed in the last two months is being proven one topic at a time.

I don't care if you don't like it, you don't have to read it. I admit, the topics I discuss are usually too far in advanced. By the time the truth comes out, everyone is too butthurt to come back in like a man and continue the debate.

They stick to single sentence, half questions of pure uncertainty or just try to plunder the conversation because they were so vastly wrong...

Instead of being like "Damn, he was pretty close, again... Okay Pill, what's next?" A select few would rather die than admit that thePill was correct on literally countless "lies" and "twisted facts". Facts are facts, Chevy shouldn't put themselves in a position for a random internet poster to twist anything. Yet they are getting worse not better...

 

[Sabre]

Awwwww.... If Logic, Math, Geometry and Fact all meet up at thePill, chances are he could be correct.

Everything I discussed in the last two months is being proven one topic at a time.

I don't care if you don't like it, you don't have to read it. I admit, the topics I discuss are usually too far in advanced. By the time the truth comes out, everyone is too butthurt to come back in like a man and continue the debate.

They stick to single sentence, half questions of pure uncertainty or just try to plunder the conversation because they were so vastly wrong...

Instead of being like "Damn, he was pretty close, again... Okay Pill, what's next?" A select few would rather die than admit that thePill was correct on literally countless "lies" and "twisted facts". Facts are facts, Chevy shouldn't put themselves in a position for a random internet poster to twist anything. Yet they are getting worse not better...

So....tell us more about this "race car" that ran at Nurburgring.

What series was it setup as? Was it as an R model....or an S model? What spoiler was on the rear? Steeda style for CTSCC or G-Stream for PWC? What engine and octane calibration was it running? Give us some details on the suspension. Was it Ford....or aftermarket? How about the exhaust system...Cats or no?

Since you seem to know for sure it was a "race car" give us the complete details and how you know it wasn't the street car.

 

[Gudz2015]

Nope....Stuntman has you dead to rights.

Your logic suits you....only when it suits you. When it doesn't...you just change it to make it fit the day.

You zig zag and back track so much, even you don't know where you are in your story!

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that sees it

 

[thePill]

So....tell us more about this "race car" that ran at Nurburgring.

What series was it setup as? Was it as an R model....or an S model? What spoiler was on the rear? Steeda style for CTSCC or G-Stream for PWC? What engine and octane calibration was it running? Give us some details on the suspension. Was it Ford....or aftermarket? How about the exhaust system...Cats or no?

Since you seem to know for sure it was a "race car" give us the complete details and how you know it wasn't the street car.

Seriously, you guys have no idea what goes on at Nurburgring. None, nadda, zero... A GT350 with a cage IS a GT350R-C and S. That is literally as plain I can explain it. Ford is trying to homologate every single component area so these GT350's ARE like the GT350R-C and S. The C and S will be very similar at first depending on where the field moves.

One thing Ford did test was fitment of a 15.5 inch CCB in a stock front wheel. I have a feeling this was just initial CCB data for Shelby to go ahead and start building the S to meet new PWC rules AND, we could homologate an OEM wheel like the z28 did this year.

Anyway, no one had any certainty a GT350 existed until November 2014, or a FPC V8.

The GT350R-C was complete and ready for CTSC testing in Daytona this year. The GT350R is nearing finalization right now. Not sure how that isn't clear...

The development for the GT350R-C likely started in 2013 while the GT350 and GT350R finalized OEM tooling last month. The 2015 Mustang was a major reason we never seen a GT350 testing, it never dropped the tarp. This was suppose to be the Development Year but 2015MY rules required Ford to push for a 2015 GT350 to test. They were still permitted to Private Test though. Impossible to get on the track in 2013 without the Mustang being shown yet and 2014 would have required a 2014 GT350 to run anyway...

2015 was the only year they could run and I have a feeling the 2014 delay push back the GT350R-C, ultimately pushing back the OEM GT350 as well. Which it is why it is late and limited in such numbers. They NEED to get on the track this weekend...

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that sees it

:(

 

[Stuntman]

A GT350 with a cage IS a GT350R-C and S. That is literally as plain I can explain it. Ford is trying to homologate every single component area so these GT350's ARE like the GT350R-C and S. The C and S will be very similar at first depending on where the field moves.

So then there never was a street GT350 at Nurburgring, since they all had cages... So your 'facts' about the 'street' 350s being faster than Z28s, the 'fact' that NO car can do a sub-8min lap at Nurburgring without a cage (I still don't get that), and all of your video analysis must be wrong.

Let's pretend you were right about the Z28 being 20+ seconds faster due to a roll cage. Since the GT350 had a cage too, it must be 20+ seconds slower without a cage. 20 seconds added to a 7 minute 30 second lap (450 sec) = 4.44% slower. According to you, that would make the street GT350 4.44% slower at Laguna Seca (1 minute 34 second lap) without a cage, which would make it turn a 1 minute 38.1 second lap, or over 4 seconds slower at Laguna without the cage, which would make you wrong about it being faster than the 302R.... So either you were wrong about the benefit of a cage's effect on laptime (true), or you're wrong about the GT350 being faster than a 302R (unknown).

Your constant posts saying the 302 and 350 came from the development of the racing versions is pretty offensive to the talented people at the Ford Design Studio and SVT, who spent countless hours designing, testing, and perfecting two amazing street vehicles. According to you, the race teams developed the car from the base S550 and S197 (so they must have designed the bumper/body/suspension differences), and then SVT made road versions of it. While you're wrong here, I don't see a problem with the idea of Ford/Design/SVT developing some amazing street cars; arguably the best stick-axle performance car in history, and this new amazing FPC wondercar, which are then developed and turned into racecars. Ford wants to win in racing, so there's a need to build a better street car that will make them more competitive in racing, which in turn benefits us all as consumers. I don't see why you have to try to prove your incorrect fantasy with twisted truths and lies just to try to prove that you are right. Is your ego really that big?

You were wrong about the timing of the 302R's restricter lift, you don't understand the differences between a "Tubbed" unibody or a "Tube Frame" (also demonstrated by your belief that Indycars have "roll cages"), you don't understand the geometry/engineering/physics behind roll centers nor the geometry of the effect of leverage that deflating rear tires have on the front to rear weight distribution of the car.


...Maybe... Just maybe, you ARE in fact wrong a lot and are a phony. :shrug: ...and others are seeing it too.

 

[w3rkn]

So....tell us more about this "race car" that ran at Nurburgring.

What series was it setup as? Was it as an R model....or an S model? What spoiler was on the rear? Steeda style for CTSCC or G-Stream for PWC? What engine and octane calibration was it running? Give us some details on the suspension. Was it Ford....or aftermarket? How about the exhaust system...Cats or no?

Since you seem to know for sure it was a "race car" give us the complete details and how you know it wasn't the street car.

Quick question: If The Pill doesn't get you those answers^ to the questions you ask, it did not happen...?

If He doesn't know the exact set-up.. then those cars weren't there?



Seems he knows more than any of you. If you can't answer the same questions yourself, then sit on the side-line. Or please, feel free to educate the 6G community yourself.

 

[w3rkn]

Stuntman, there is no SVT, SVO or other "Design Studios" for Ford Performance. It is one division predicated on racing the cars they build and building the cars they race.

Not sure how you missed any of this.

 

[Stuntman]

Stuntman, there is no SVT, SVO or other "Design Studios" for Ford Performance. It is one division predicated on racing the cars they build and building the cars they race.

Not sure how you missed any of this.

So SVT didn't make the Boss? And that same group of engineers are not still working in the company with their same roles under the new umbrella name of Ford Performance (which didn't come about until recently; mid-way through the 350's development)? And Ford no longer uses an in-house design studio to design their cars?

 

[w3rkn]

Nope SVT doesn't make the BOSS. (They made the boss.)

Ford Racing has restructured everything. All engineers roam, to learn every aspect about engineering, and racing.

Which are now one-in-the-same @ Ford Performance.

 

[Stuntman]

Nope SVT doesn't make the BOSS. (They made the boss.)

Ford Racing has restructured everything. All engineers roam, to learn every aspect about engineering, and racing.

Which are now one-in-the-same @ Ford Performance.

"didn't" is past-tense. I didn't say "Doesn't".

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/ga...s/shelbygt350/performance-tuned/FMTP0014000H/

Those look like the SVT guys, and oh look: an SVT trailer! :headbonk:

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