GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

Upset? Au Contraire!

In fact...it seems to me that you're the one upset...though I think your feelings are misplaced. As I've said before, if you're going to be angry, be angry with the racing series that let the Camaro slide so easily into competition. Start a petition or a letter writing campaign or something. Apparently Chevy knew how to "play" the system. Go after the folks who compromised their own rules and regulations to let the Camaro into competition.

In 2010 Multimatic had some limited success, but was PLAGUED by reliability issues with both cars for the entire season. Had they waited and done their testing and race engineering off track, they would have had a much more refined and competition ready car for the debut. It was not a good "image" debut for the car. They rebounded in the 2011 season after they had time to resolve many of the 2010 problems in "off season" testing.

The 2015 Gen6 GT 350 is a bit of a halo car for Ford. I sincerely doubt that Ford wants a repeat of the 2010 reliability issue for this car. They will wait until they and Multimatic are satisfied that they have the car as competition ready as it can be, before we ever see it on track.

So...upset? No...not in the least. I leave getting upset to important life issues. As much as I love cars, Mustangs and racing, they are nowhere near important enough to get upset over.

I would say, irritated.

Your constant Chevy/Camaro whining, coupled with your dubious and erroneous fact posting, are like the annoying and irritating drone of a mosquito....hovering just about the head and out of swatting distance.

I'm having a blast!!!

As time goes on the things I talk about make sense. I think that is the main issue here, people would rather other people not read what I say. You don't have to... Your membership here doesn't require you to visit any thread on here. You are free to read anything, anywhere at any time.

I warned about the z28's difficulty classing, it's Pro Motorsport shenanigans, it's need for a shorter wheelbase, the ATS-V weighing around "3750lbs", sadly, the entire geometry debate, the z28's, GT350 and GT500's Ring time, the z28's actual top speed at the Ring, the z28's MSRP, the 2015's MSRP back in 2013, the 107 inch wheelbase S550, the need for cages at Nurburgring, Chevy cheating the stopwatch was Travis but it's just another issue...

Hell... Even "My 3500lbs" S550 exist, we just can't buy it in the US yet...

The reason you can't swat this fly is because I'm no fly.

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[Trackaholic]

The reason you can't swat this fly is because I'm no fly.

He said mosquito.

-T

 

[Stuntman]

I agree with Sabre. If thePill wanted to quit being a poser and actually contribute and help Ford in motorsports, he would take the hours that he spends on this forum trying to demonstrate the Camaros inferiority and use it toward petitioning and lobbying the different series publically on the obvious current bias for GM cars and lack of parody in the balance of performance. Like a 7L Z28 having more fuel and power than a 5L Boss, yet can go further on a tank of gas during CTSCC races.

While there are a few who come here to argue an uphill battle, for the most part we all love Mustangs here.
Take your efforts elsewhere to make a difference rather than spending hours on a Mustang forum saying how much better the Mustang is over the Camaro. :ford:

 

[thePill]

2015 MODEL YEAR APPROVED!!!

Only 50 GT350's
Only 50 GT350 TP's
Only 37 GT350R's

2016 is up to full speed.

That was a close one...

 

[thePill]

I agree with Sabre. If thePill wanted to quit being a poser and actually contribute and help Ford in motorsports, he would take the hours that he spends on this forum trying to demonstrate the Camaros inferiority and use it toward petitioning and lobbying the different series publically on the obvious current bias for GM cars and lack of parody in the balance of performance. Like a 7L Z28 having more fuel and power than a 5L Boss, yet can go further on a tank of gas during CTSCC races.

While there are a few who come here to argue an uphill battle, for the most part we all love Mustangs here.
Take your efforts elsewhere to make a difference rather than spending hours on a Mustang forum saying how much better the Mustang is over the Camaro. :ford:

I think I will keep my efforts here. Awareness is the name of the game at this point. I doubt anyone would give any of this a look without 400,000 views.

I started this campaign in 2013 and have been pretty steady since then. Over time, readers eventually start seeing a pattern and make their own discoveries. At first, nobody understood what the hell I was talking about, sanctioned, legal equipment... what a joke...

But then people started reading rulebooks for the first time. Only because awareness had set in.

In most cases, it could take a year or two before what I'm discussing makes sense. It wasn't until just recently, with Ford and Chevy's help, that the info I receive is verified rather quickly.

I have people within the companies speaking to me now...


...just because I'm thePill :(

 

[thePill]

The ATS-V Track Package saved 33lbs over the Non-Track Pack ATS-V.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2014/11/details-on-the-2016-cadillac-ats-v-carbon-fiber-track-packages/


Dun, Dun Duuuuuuuuuuuuh...

A Non-Track Pack ATS-V will weigh about 3790-3800lbs with a TR6060 Manual.

A 3800lbs 6th Gen Camaro "Will Be A Challenge".

hardcore may be at home with the 2016 ATS-V Track package, which brings in the Performance Data Recorder and a low-mass battery while deleting the floor mats, sunroof, and tire inflator kit to keep things light and fleet. The result is a weight savings of approximately 33 pounds and 50 pounds of downforce at 150 mph; a byproduct of this is that when downforce goes up, top speed of 189 mph goes down, giving the base 2016 ATS-V the highest top speed of the bunch, although it has 15 pounds of lift in comparison. The downforce figure reflects both the Carbon Fiber and Track packages.

Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2014/11...-v-carbon-fiber-track-packages/#ixzz3YanmIc4X

Add my ATS-V and 6th Gen Camaro weight predictions to my Resume.

 

[Stuntman]

2015 MODEL YEAR APPROVED!!!

Only 50 GT350's
Only 50 GT350 TP's
Only 37 GT350R's

2016 is up to full speed.

That was a close one...

If true, then I guess it wasn't developed from a racecar like you "said" the Boss 302 was...

 

[Todd15Fastback]

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22086

 

[thePill]

If true, then I guess it wasn't developed from a racecar like you "said" the Boss 302 was...

It's been with the series since January this year. It runs private sessions before and after the event with Multimatics Boss 302R's.

That looked desperate...

 

[Stuntman]

It's been with the series since January this year. It runs private sessions before and after the event with Multimatics Boss 302R's.

That looked desperate...

So it was developed in less than a year from the racecar? What about the Nurburgring testing from last year?

We saw the street car a long time ago, so the racecar would have to be developed from that. The street car

 

[thePill]

So it was developed in less than a year from the racecar? What about the Nurburgring testing from last year?

We saw the street car a long time ago, so the racecar would have to be developed from that. The street car

The street car isn't even complete yet, the Multimatic GT350R was up and running in January 2015. The TT GT350 was ready last month so.. not sure how you can base a racecar off a car that hasn't even passed TT yet.

You "Might" be able to receive a 2015 GT350 before the year is over.

I still can't say how long Ford and Multimatic tested in a GT body the previous year. Roush had semi-confirmed a "GT350" sometime early last season so... It has probably been running under our noses for some time. The 2010 Grand Am Boss 302 wasn't even labeled or called a Boss at all. The announcer outed the Boss 302, similar to what they did with the GT350 in CTSC this year.

The Z/28.R began testing about 7 days before Daytona in 2014.

I'm not sure that was enough time...


Any comments on a 3800lbs ATS-V?

 

[Stuntman]

The street car isn't even complete yet, the Multimatic GT350R was up and running in January 2015. The TT GT350 was ready last month so.. not sure how you can base a racecar off a car that hasn't even passed TT yet.

Lets get this straight:

You're saying the 350 street car was developed from the raecar. (Yet we've seen street car development for ~a year now and nothing on the racecar before January).

You're assuming you can't base a racecar off a car that hasn't passed TT yet.

TT GT350 was ready just recently last month; yet you say the GT350R race car was up and running in January 2015.

-You just contradicted yourself. :headbonk:

 

[thePill]

Lets get this straight:

I don't think you'll ever get it straight.

The OEM car isn't finished, the racecar was operational in Janruary 2015, possibly sooner.

 

[thePill]

Nice retort. And the street car was seen at the Nurburgring a year ago. :headbonk:

Oh, that was the Street car? The GT350S is going to use Carbon Ceramic Brakes, which the early models wore.

Sorry, again, you assume much and know very little :lol:

 

[Stuntman]

Oh, that was the Street car? The GT350S is going to use Carbon Ceramic Brakes, which the early models wore.

Sorry, again, you assume much and know very little :lol:

So now you're saying the cars at Nurburgring were RACECARS?!?!

So then a 'street' car version never was at Nurburgring, never set a time, and never went faster than the Z28...

I love how you twist facts around without thinking everything through, and argue facts with conjecture. You will flip around any information to fit and support your fantasy world, and if it doesn't, you'll make up information for it to work and make sense.

Anyone with common sense can see right through you.

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