GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

OEM adjustable camber and stock sounds like a plus for me...no need to add any aftermarket camber kits. Why are you hating on Chevy for doing something most enthusiasts would like?

Because they are morons... Hurray for adjustable suspension, booooooooooo for not adjusting it.

Magazine comparisons have ceased the "Run what cha' brung" credo and model years have no real meaning. Just let endless adjustments to be made (for only one competitor mind you) and lets market that to a majority of unknowing victims.

It's not like any of the victims have a choice, GM paid for all the "Of the Year" awards, Motor Trend still needs to make good on that end.

Don't get it twisted, it's not like any of the 2015 Z06 customers are getting the Z06 Motor Trend just tested. You are still getting the same heat soaking, non-rough road mode Z06 that shit it's pants 2 months ago. They just decided to feed you new bullshit.


Of course, none of this ever goes on outside of Team Corvette...


...except all the time...

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[Arthonon]

More info about the latest Camaro - sounds official:

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2016-chevrolet-camaro-details-released-150718869.html

From the article:
...the 2016 Chevy Camaro is confirmed to get the new 6.2-liter LT1 V-8 engine.

“[M]ore than 70 percent of the components are unique to the Gen 6 Camaro, including exterior and interior dimensions, an all-new interior, front and rear suspension, and powertrain components,” said Mark Reuss, GM’s executive vice president for global product development.

The front end of the Camaro was also widened and lengthened to deliver the car’s core styling traits and provide better track width for handling.

To fit the 2016 Camaro’s engine bay, about 20 percent of the LT1 V-8’s accessories and fitment had to be tweaked. All-new “tri-Y” tubular exhaust manifolds send the scorched remnants of fuel and air rearward.

 

[traxiii]

In the article they think it will have the same HP (455) as the stingray. You really think they'll do that? Sounds out of sorts unless the vette gets a HP bump next year to keep it ahead.

 

[thePill]

More info about the latest Camaro - sounds official:

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2016-chevrolet-camaro-details-released-150718869.html

From the article:
...the 2016 Chevy Camaro is confirmed to get the new 6.2-liter LT1 V-8 engine.

“[M]ore than 70 percent of the components are unique to the Gen 6 Camaro, including exterior and interior dimensions, an all-new interior, front and rear suspension, and powertrain components,” said Mark Reuss, GM’s executive vice president for global product development.

The front end of the Camaro was also widened and lengthened to deliver the car’s core styling traits and provide better track width for handling.

To fit the 2016 Camaro’s engine bay, about 20 percent of the LT1 V-8’s accessories and fitment had to be tweaked. All-new “tri-Y” tubular exhaust manifolds send the scorched remnants of fuel and air rearward.

Yeah, good info in there.

I brought up the dash/axle clearance for the LT1 in the ATS a while back. We were told specifically that this was a "trouble area" and nothing to do with innovative design.

I said this elsewhere...

I seen that, this shouldn't be a shock. We made info available pretty early about the LT1 not fitting in the ATS. The 6th Gen Camaro uses a completely unique front section (please don't say "clip") almost similar to the GT350 vs. GT. Both platforms look scalable...

I know most will have difficulty accepting this but, a larger front section is certainly a large weight gain with front bias. We seen early pictures of the Camaro with a wider front track and seemly shorter rear (common in GM vehicles), I imagine the front is unique and the rear section is an Alpha carry over. The center (between A and C pillars) is also unique since it has it's own interior dimensions.

IF the 109 inch wheelbase is used, the Camaro would need a 65/63 inch track fr/rr to put down an attractive foot print. The Camaro looks as if it has a taller ride height, likely due to the packaging of the IRS unit vs. Ford's ILIRS. The ILIRS sits up in pretty deep, this slight raised rear could be responsible for the Wedge/Rake look carry over. We see the S550 take on a totally new, hunkered down stance while the Shitgen still has it's fat ass in the air, not offering any rearward visablity.

All that said, what if the "Dash to Axle" ratio changes that were needed to fit the LT1 actually increased the Wheelbase? To keep cost down and since Chevy is overall pretty cheap, I doubt they did...

The cabin would had to of been moved to the rear, that would help distribution. The dash/axle increase isn't as obvious when comparing the Camaro and ATS-V. You can obviously see the Camaro's cabin sits more to the rear. However, the interior of the ATS couldn't be compacted any more that it already is so, the long and extra wide roof was used and a slight GT-R-ish dog leg was placed above the rear passenger seats.

If the ATS-V weighs 3700-3750lbs as is, the Camaro has an easy 100lbs in just extra mass over the ATS. The component weight is heavier too in almost every instance except the LT1 and the ATS's L-whatever ma' 6. The engine is 20lbs heavier but the LT1's Transmission is 60-80lbs heavier.

I heard the Camaro's interior took on massive weight... MASSIVE!!!

Funny how my major talking point about the LT1 in an Alpha was one of the key talking points in the initial release. That means most of my other info is probably close to accurate since these are the same groups of "insiders".

As for the weight, they haven't got to that point yet. In fact, they may not get to that point until after the viewing. However, my guys say they have a pretty good idea and they haven't even been attacked by the budget yet. That is where a pound is gained here and there and it starts to add up.

Both the front and rear suspensions have gained weight vs. last gen BUT, the weight gain should be smaller if you use the ATS-V as a base. Not much, maybe 30-60lbs over the ATS-V's kit (not sure if that includes brakes) It does not include the wheels and tires.

In the article they think it will have the same HP (455) as the stingray. You really think they'll do that? Sounds out of sorts unless the vette gets a HP bump next year to keep it ahead.

Exhaust should be slightly more restricted in the Camaro, 5-8hp maybe...

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Found this interesting.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400679

 

[Arthonon]

Found this interesting.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400679

For whatever reason, that link isn't working for me - can you -provide any more info to help track it down on the site? I keep getting an error that says "This webpage has a redirect loop."

 

[thePill]

For whatever reason, that link isn't working for me - can you -provide any more info to help track it down on the site? I keep getting an error that says "This webpage has a redirect loop."

Both Camaro5 and Camaro6 are down.

 

[505STANG]

Because they are morons... Hurray for adjustable suspension, booooooooooo for not adjusting it.

Magazine comparisons have ceased the "Run what cha' brung" credo and model years have no real meaning. Just let endless adjustments to be made (for only one competitor mind you) and lets market that to a majority of unknowing victims.

It's not like any of the victims have a choice, GM paid for all the "Of the Year" awards, Motor Trend still needs to make good on that end.

Don't get it twisted, it's not like any of the 2015 Z06 customers are getting the Z06 Motor Trend just tested. You are still getting the same heat soaking, non-rough road mode Z06 that shit it's pants 2 months ago. They just decided to feed you new bullshit.



Of course, none of this ever goes on outside of Team Corvette...


...except all the time...

I totally get what your saying.... Whoring out the media and how great there cars and truck are but at the same time getting there a$$ sued over faulty ignition that they knew about and hid from the public. Its only a matter of time before they go bankrupt again. I can't understand though why people are still flocking over to there dealerships for such crap they sell? Do we really have that many stupid people living in America.:ford:

 

[Arthonon]

Both Camaro5 and Camaro6 are down.

Must need a recall.... :lol:

 

[garagelogic]

Both Camaro5 and Camaro6 are down.

Those websites are about as dependable as the Camaro's themselves!

 

[Tm@c1965]

Why not?

In the article they think it will have the same HP (455) as the stingray. You really think they'll do that? Sounds out of sorts unless the vette gets a HP bump next year to keep it ahead.

Dodge did that with the Hellcat. It has more power than a Viper. They are different classes of cars (sport vs muscle). The lighter Vette doesn't need as much power as a heavy Camaro. I also believe they will bump power up on 16 Vettes.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

For whatever reason, that link isn't working for me - can you -provide any more info to help track it down on the site? I keep getting an error that says "This webpage has a redirect loop."

LOL @ the comments about the site and reliability...:lol::lol:

The link is about a guy that bought a 2015 Z28 and has about 200-300 miles and already blew the motor up in it. This guy that owns and drives the car has a background of being a great road course racer, tuner and engine builder.

He is not happy to say the least.

 

[mustangletback]

LOL @ the comments about the site and reliability...:lol::lol:

The link is about a guy that bought a 2015 Z28 and has about 200-300 miles and already blew the motor up in it. This guy that owns and drives the car has a background of being a great road course racer, tuner and engine builder.

He is not happy to say the least.

thats a piece of crap,CRAPMARO for ya.gm=Garbage Motors.:cheers::lol::lol:

 

[1320']

What I do not understand is why people are so shocked over the LS7 blowing itself up?

It's a 427ci stroker, which is about as far as you can realistically push a small block anyway. The reliability rate for the LS7 is a known element, just because it was thrown into the Camaro and has the Z/28 slapped on it does not mean the problems go away.

In order for the LS7 to be reliable the heads need to be reworked immediately, right out of the box. How exactly was that a GOOD thing? In 6 years of LS7 GM claimed to have "fixed" the problem, but it is not now, nor was it ever true. Some shops have 10+ sets of ready heads for the LS7 on the shelf at any given time, that is how terrible the problem actually is.

Imagine how you'd feel if you just dropped 70 large on the "most capable, trackable Camaro ever" and then you have to drive it straight to a shop to have another $3,000 in head work done on it? I'd be pisssed.

Anyone who buys into the whole Z/28, LS7 circle jerk spectacular deserves what they get.

 

[garagelogic]

The most track capable Camaro ever. That is, when it is running.

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