GT350 vs. Z/28

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Is the 1LE/ GT PP still going on, holy shit.

I am really curious to see the GT350 go against the Z28. Ford says it weight less than a Base GT at 3618.

So lets say 3600 lb at least 500 hp, and 400 ftlbs, with at least a 220 weight advantage even with less brake and tire, its going to be awesome. Especially if it can be had for 56K with a Track Pack.

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Considering the Gt350 won't be out until fall on next year, there will be plenty of speculation of what it will do, but no real results. I foresee months of Internet racing between the two.

 

[Momentum]

And when one shows up, the Z28 will be out of production.

 

[thePill]

Anyone using magazine articles as a benchmark is a f@cking moron...

This is a competition based comparison, or was at least until Chevy chose not to play. They opted to build a supercar-wannabe that is useless in organized Motorsport, period... I specifically expressed this issue here in saying "They honestly can't compete with the Boss or M3 in their own class". This is true... However, Ford will cover all bases here...

They will offer a Unicorn race car like the z28, however, you will have to option it like an idiot. That is your God given right... But, if you do, say goodbye to competition.

The 1le was a joke in SCCA, even with a factory shoe, they got their ASSES WHOOPED by not one, but SEVEN 2011-2012 GT's. Until they are taken seriously in real life, don't expect Ford to fuel this comic book rivalry.

Learn to build a car that competes... Then come back and talk to me...

Can we assume the 6th Gen SS will outlap a 1LE for under $40,000 and still weigh less...

You are in for a rude awakening... Chances are, a volume selling V8 Camaro won't outpace a 2015 GTPP, that is very, very likely. I didn't expect an FE4 SS to beat a Boss, nor should a volume GT outlap a 1LE. Same would go for sales, a 1LE will never sell as many GTPP's as Ford.

 

[thePill]

...every time a new Mustang comes out, there is always a huge pucker-factor from the other side.

I would like to lay the blame solely on the Trinity 2013 GT500 and the November to Remember. However, I believe it also involved the Coyote and Boss 302 programs. These two programs forced Chevy into a road racing mindset... The GT500 merely escorted the Camaro completely out of Drag racing...

 

[thePill]

Rumors reported that the GT350 will start at $53,000, option up to $60k. The GT350 was rumored to be faster than the outgoing GT500 at the Ring. It's worth mentioning the '13 GT500 they tested there routinely ran 7:30-7:40s. Although, some of those GT500's could of had some "other" equipment. I never got word on the 7:39 run they video'd but, I was told that run was done in the Spring or 2013, after the car was finalized. I assume it was close to stock.

I can't comment on the level at which the 350 is better than the 500, there is still a 1/4 mile to be raced too.

I doubt you will see the videos and, I'm doubting they have run a finalized GT350 at the Ring at all. Not until next Spring...

IN ORDER TO COMPETE!!!!

If you opt to race a GT350, you will need to make a small change to the front and rear rotors. The size of the rotors need to be reduced to GTPP sizes. Ford racing will offer a competition swap package for those that are headed to SCCA.

Caution on optioning MRC as it may cause classing issues.


The z28 DOES NOT class anywhere... I would avoid the z28 if I wanted to race at all. Especially costing $25,000 more and very well could produce less power and it continues to be a piggy of a race car.

In fact, when racing is concerned, I probably wouldn't bring the z28 up at all. You just CANNOT race this piece of sh!t anywhere. Paying $80,000 for this crap has me pointing and laughing at people like 7.0 Joe, zfat and all the other Ricky Bobby's over there.

 

[thePill]

Ford has video of the GT350 besting the z28...

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Ford has video of the GT350 besting the z28...

This will get interesting...

 

[thePill]

This will get interesting...

Double post but...

I also hear that the "highest level" Mustang is already in development. I was not aware of this until today.

 

[thePill]

This will get interesting...

I would certainly like to view a video from Ford but, if it's just gonna bring more questions than answers, I'd just rather use real world results.

Apparently the GT350 will start close to $50,000. I think that is a stretch, we will see. Also, the GT350 was aimed more towards the Stingray and the GT350R was specifically built for HALO car battle.

I initially caught wind of the benchmarks months ago and, as I said here, they better bring it. I had no idea the amount of R&D that went into the GT350's base car. I am very impressed and also glad REAL RACING was kept in mind when offering equipment.

 

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Video/pictures or it didn't happen.

Not that I don't want to believe it...

 

[thePill]

Video/pictures or it didn't happen.

Not that I don't want to believe it...

I can't remember the last time I seen Ford release a benchmark video with the competitors product in it.

 

[thePill]

Joe says:

BTW, I see our jagged lil friend now says a simple smaller brake downfit to the GT350 makes the "car right with the racing world", yet he went on for how many pages raging about the Z/28's monster brakes. And still is. Poor man.

First of all, thanks for reading. I knew for some time that Camaro5 readers were partly responsible for my thread view count. More people come here to see my opinion on the z28's Ring run than Camaro fans viewed the actual run itself. Again, I thank you.

Secondly, yes, we will need to down-size our brakes. Let's just pretend that is all that is wrong with the z28 and just nail this into its coffin shall we? The majority of the z28's awful base MSRP is due to the overkill in the braking department. Now, it does suck to need to change out original equipment to conform to rulebooks. Ford obviously identified this right off the bat. Not only keeping those factory brakes large enough to turn magazine humpers heads (like yourself), but also keep the cost down for the customer. This is the big kicker here though bud, the GTPP and GT350 will likely use very similar brake calibrations for ABS. The z28 uses a unique calibration AND, requires a lot of internal computer work for the ABS. This is of course what Pete from Pedders says right???

So, the GT350 will just need to kick the disk off and opt for the FR package for competition. By the way, where is GM Performance with the kit to fix this for its customers that bought a "race car". Oh, they never mentioned that the z28 can't be classed? They never warned the customer so therefore, they don't offer a competiton package for the hardy competitor the z28's is. The ALL-STAR I think Motor Trend awarded the z28's with... a new award I take it.

...and third... People read my threads, like it or not, a lot of people visit this section and this thread. I will continue to call Chevy out for garbage like this. It's pathetic to enter a 7 liter Camaro into CTSCC. It's also insane t ask you guys to pay $80,000 for a car you can't use as it was advertised. It's also pathetic to hang from the threads of an automobile rag, using solely that to win an argument. The z28 was a very bad joke, the 1LE couldn't defend itself in the wild and the GT500 dominated the ZL1 and exiled the Camaro from drag racing. The z28 wil not win any championships, it will not impact racing like the Boss did... None of its accomplishments mean anything anyway, those z28s are too far from stock.

Boo hoo...

In my opinion, a base Recaro GT is all anyone probably needs.

 

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I can't remember the last time I seen Ford release a benchmark video with the competitors product in it.

then where's the link??? It's funny, I went over to camaro5 and man they don't like you, but I didn't see one post from thePill. Do they delete your posts right after posting things like you are "the special needs love child between Henry Ford and hitler"?

 

[02gtnh]

Ford has video of the GT350 besting the z28...

If it's not a independent test then it will be hard to believe. Seen way to many propaganda videos from manufactors showing there stuff is better. Also, how was the car set up, was it a base or fully decked?

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