GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

Not sure bud, it should all be encompassed under GM. Still no word from K-Town or Tiergarten, I imagine they will be up in a few hours.

When I attended the GT500 test, I took some crappy video (iPhone) and some distant pics. I was approached by a club member and was told to not worry about a good picture, there will be pictures on the "Worldwide Web" (lol). To my amazement, the pictures were up about a day or two after I posted what I saw. Similar to this event, I was informed days in advance. There were GT500's that ran there but was never photo'd or video'd. Hopefully, previous experiences with missed pics drove them to stay in place for the entire booking (if it even is a pool).

one thing in interested in...

where's the z28's second run? It should be there right? Where's the 7:31 they claim to have run but didn't get a video.

Chevy claiming a 7:31 with no proof? That's official...

Ford releasing a video of a 7:39 with no timer? Its cheating...

Chevy advertising lap times in a caged car with countless other tweaks to compensate for the stiffer chassis? Lame...

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[thePill]

These renders by Rampant are awesome.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/gt350-de-camo-2485.html

 

[Trackaholic]

Chevy advertising lap times in a caged car with countless other tweaks to compensate for the stiffer chassis? Lame...

These spy shots show that the Mustang is caged as well. We should keep that in mind should they decide to brag about times.

-T

 

[tbonez3858]

Some bad 6th Gen Camaro rumors... After the ATS-V was caught testing, it was said it will use a TT V6. This suggest that while the Alpha can take a V8, the Alpha ATS cannot. Its a very small car according to some and interior is an issue.

Look for an even larger Camaro next Gen. Based on a shared CTS platform. Yippie!!! That's 115 inch wheelbase and 190 inches overall.

They must be out of their f'n minds... What a dumb move. It just depresses me to no end... That's a 4000lbs 2017 V8 Camaro fella's. Another pork sausage on wheels.

You post really good data and interesting info. The twin turbo v6 going in the ATSV has been known for months and even years. It's also been well known that the Camaro would get the CTS alpha chassis and not the ATS alpha chassis for a while. They've already extensively tested the CTS chassis for the LT1 and LT1 supercharger for the CTSV. There is a Camaro mule rolling around right now somewhere dressed up as a CTS. In addition Chevy wants to make a hole in their line up for a light weight BRZ killer (code130/140). This won't necessarily mean the Camaro is going to be a pig, however. The current CTS weighs 3600 pounds so you can expect a Camaro to come in between 3750 and 3800 when the LT1 is used.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/2016-chevrolet-camaro-alpha-chassis-70s-style.312236/

 

[thePill]

I got good news and bad news...

First, the bad... One of the GT350's kept pulling into the garage, it did this often. On top of that, they speculated that there may be more than two Mustangs testing at once. I do believe each car had a plate so we can tell right away. I figures they may have put the tarp back on and confused them OR, removed the tarp and was counted as a 3rd and 4th. Anyway, it was said the cars did this often. I mentioned before that Ford does random pull ins before a full lap to throw these guys off. As the GT500 run back in June '11, there was a lot of off/on throttle coasting and wave bys. There was a rumor that the car got flat bedded back to the Jag garage but, the photographer that was posted at the gate never seen any of the cars return wrecked or towed. Its possible the vehicle was taken elsewhere but again, at the end of the day, all the vehicles were accounted for and returned on their own power.

Secondly, the stop watches...

Appearently, full laps were either stopped before finishing, extremely lengthy due to their slow down sessions or, they just disappeared altogether (I have no idea). However, they still ran watches and they used the same method and techniques now as they did back in 2011. Usually, there are 5-6 photo/video stations. Spectators man 5-10 speed traps along the entire 20km. This is the exact method used to get me a 7:30-7:40 estimate for the GT500. i later witnessed a 7:35 full lap and later they released a 7:39. Timing stations were at:

4-6km (fox hole)
8-9km (heart)
13-15km (carousel)
17-19km (mini carousel)
19-1km (straight and to tiergarten)

on the carousels, the new GT350 was faster. The GT350 can climb to the top.of the candy cane from the carousel exit in under 6 seconds. The GT500 ran an outstanding low to mid 6's. There is very little tire noise on the carousels AND, the best thing, it doesn't hop over the paved inserts on the carousels. The GT350 was pretty much on par with the GT500 on the Fox Hole section, there are areas the GT350 is down in MPH but, enters the next speed trap ahead. The GT350 has an advantage over the 500 in the heart. Its just maintaining speed better. They admit, there were some letting up and practice with the gears on entry ect... However, they got some opening up on the straight. They have this car at almost 170mph at Tiergarten. That is like 8mph better than the z28 but, 5mph slower than the GT500.

How did it fare.against the z28's traps? On the straight the GT350 was obviously faster, its making up seconds here. On the others, the GT350 and z28. pretty close. The exception was the carousel, the Mustang must have an advantage in lower weight. It doesn't get disturbed by the concrete patches. The GT350 didn't wobble and bounce like the z28 did. The GT350.is also.carrying more speed in and out of the fox hole vs. the z28. They are not sure if its speed or handling that makes this so, no gun at this location. Right off the bat they claim its likely a solid 7:30 car...

Yes, I know, its not accurate. None of these.guesses are going to be. I will remind you this method got me a 7:30-7:40 estimate for the GT500 (witnessed 7:35 and 7:39). This method also warned me that the z28 was having issues besting the ZL1's 7:41. It was true.up until the last run, on the last day.per Chevy themselves. So, it is an educated guess...

Your gonna kill me but, I completely forgot to ask if the z28 returned... I feel they would have said something to me. I had extreme trouble with the sections names. Sorry I didn't put them along with the km markers posted above.


(be back in 20)

 

[Big reg]

Good info. I was waiting for you post about the alleged engine failure reports floating around.

 

[ChefBorOzzy]

Stop spreading crap.. The SS Camaro will NOT weight 4000 pounds.

 

[thePill]

Good info. I was waiting for you post about the alleged engine failure reports floating around.

I wasn't aware of the engine failure rumor until just recently. There was no mention of smoke or pictures of it broke. I assume it happened on an unmonitored part of the track.

They thought one of the cars was just a GT.

It appears the car they were most interested in was just plain faster through most sections vs. The GT500, ZL1 and z28. It almost matched the ZL1's top speed at Tiergarten.

As long as they don't mislead people by advertising a prepped cars lap time, I could care less if a test engine explodes.

 

[thePill]

Stop spreading crap.. The SS Camaro will NOT weight 4000 pounds.

With a V8 and additional support it will. Another porker but hopefully less cartoonish. I think its crap too. I think a 115 inch wheelbase is shit but oh well.

consider that a TT V6 auto weighs 3976lbs. That's about where an SS auto will sit. A LT4 will be well over that but lighter than the ZL1.

 

[thePill]

These spy shots show that the Mustang is caged as well. We should keep that in mind should they decide to brag about times.

-T

I haven't seen an uncaged run since the CTS-V's 7:59. There is no company on Earth that would risk a driver at those speeds. The z28 was cages but they went to great lengths to hide the actual car that ran the lap.

thanks T, I don't think Ford is eager to release such times anyway. What's the point? Is a talking point for us, false advertising to everyone else.

 

[ChefBorOzzy]

With a V8 and additional support it will. Another porker but hopefully less cartoonish. I think its crap too. I think a 115 inch wheelbase is shit but oh well.

consider that a TT V6 auto weighs 3976lbs. That's about where an SS auto will sit. A LT4 will be well over that but lighter than the ZL1.

Again.. You're making things up to suit how you want it to be. Curb weight for the base Camaro SS will not be as much as a V-sport CTS.

Sit back and watch the SS Camaro weigh about the same as the Mustang GT.

 

[thePill]

Again.. You're making things up to suit how you want it to be. Curb weight for the base Camaro SS will not be as much as a V-sport CTS.

Sit back and watch the SS Camaro weigh about the same as the Mustang GT.

Um, did you see the 6th Gen Camaro's new spy pics? Its parked next to a 201 inchvwheelbase Impala... That's a HUGE car.

...and no, 3976lbs is the weight of the TT V6 auto. Drivetrsin weights should be similar.

Judging by the sheer size of the car in the spy pics, its gonna be just as large, if not larger than the 5th Gen.

Boo hoo elsewhere...

 

[Big reg]

Again.. You're making things up to suit how you want it to be. Curb weight for the base Camaro SS will not be as much as a V-sport CTS.

Sit back and watch the SS Camaro weigh about the same as the Mustang GT.

I agree with this. Details will trickle out soon as the first test mules were spotted today. I'm pretty sure wheelbase can be between 109 and 114. I suspect Camaro will be in btw that.

 

[ChefBorOzzy]

Um, did you see the 6th Gen Camaro's new spy pics? Its parked next to a 201 inchvwheelbase Impala... That's a HUGE car.

...and no, 3976lbs is the weight of the TT V6 auto. Drivetrsin weights should be similar.

Judging by the sheer size of the car in the spy pics, its gonna be just as large, if not larger than the 5th Gen.

Boo hoo elsewhere...

You're optimistic on Ford for everything and pessimistic about Chevy. I've seen it in multiple posts. No point arguing with you. Yes, I have seen the spy shots. I'll make sure to chime back in when weight is reported. If it's 4,000 pounds, Chevy can count out a bunch of buyers and it will flop. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

 

[thePill]

You're optimistic on Ford for everything and pessimistic about Chevy. I've seen it in multiple posts. No point arguing with you. Yes, I have seen the spy shots. I'll make sure to chime back in when weight is reported. If it's 4,000 pounds, Chevy can count out a bunch of buyers and it will flop. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

That wheelbase looks pretty close to the Impalas, that's a 112 inch wheelbase. Not sure if you realize this or not but, it gets real difficult to save weight using the same wheelbase and track. Ford had to use a new Unibody design to save the weight they did... Only to option it out standard.

Sorry man, you just are not gonna get lighter than a new Unibody'd Mustang that's physically smaller in every way, shape and form.

Its another family sedan, reskinned as a sports coupe. With the new multi link IRS, it made it impossible for them to get it any smaller. At least it isn't 115 inches.

Look at the huge A pillars, that's not a good sign. The rear of the car tapers off, similar to the S550 BUT, the rear track is pulled in. It looks very odd.

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