GM is pulling back on EVs

[jtmat]

Hello; interesting. My post had five paragraphs and a link. You picked out one sentence which is true as far as i know.

Goodbye; Shouldn't be interesting. Nothing I could do with the rest of your post... it was ridiculous. You research for 5 minutes... return with results from the first page, and then claim "knowledge".

We've seen this dance before... people can post whatever facts and you will simply keep posting the same thing over and over. You want the info? Stop being lazy....

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[sk47]

https://www.medicaldaily.com/california-battery-plant-residents-risk-cancer-arsenic-emissions-387361

Previous California car battery recycling nightmares.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianaf...battery-powered-evs-could-increase-emissions/

Another opinion regarding EV batteries.

But muh environment.

Quotes from links;
"Seventy percent of the world’s electric batteries are produced in China, and 83 percent of China’s energy comes from fossil fuels, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration."

"Kelly Senecal of Convergent Sciences has calculated that carbon emissions to produce a battery for a Nissan Leaf were equivalent to driving a BMW 320d for 24,000 miles. For a larger Tesla Model S battery, carbon emissions used in production are equivalent to driving the BMW 320d for 60,000 miles. In addition, transporting batteries from China to the United States uses emissions, but the magnitude is more difficult to calculate."

 

[sk47]

Goodbye; Shouldn't be interesting. Nothing I could do with the rest of your post... it was ridiculous. You research for 5 minutes... return with results from the first page, and then claim "knowledge".

We've seen this dance before... people can post whatever facts and you will simply keep posting the same thing over and over. You want the info? Stop being lazy....

Hello; Don't know how you figure things. You are the one making the claim horses were banned from cities and do not provide any evidence. I find a link and pull information, yet i am the lazy one.
After a moments reflection the exchange does fit what you do. I do not have a name for it yet. Not much point to this back and forth to be sure.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Quotes from links;
"Seventy percent of the world’s electric batteries are produced in China, and 83 percent of China’s energy comes from fossil fuels, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration."

"Kelly Senecal of Convergent Sciences has calculated that carbon emissions to produce a battery for a Nissan Leaf were equivalent to driving a BMW 320d for 24,000 miles. For a larger Tesla Model S battery, carbon emissions used in production are equivalent to driving the BMW 320d for 60,000 miles. In addition, transporting batteries from China to the United States uses emissions, but the magnitude is more difficult to calculate."

Yes. And since China has mandated that more EV’s are to be produced, one wonders how they will recycle their batteries. Based on their history I’m sure they have everything under control.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202...recycled and processed without any regulation.

https://ge.usembassy.gov/chinas-air-pollution-harms-its-citizens-and-the-world/

 

[jtmat]

World’s first carbon neutral liner vessel by 2023 | Maersk
Hello; They will have one vessel running on methanol (think indy car). The 'neutral' part of carbon neutral being the key. Methanol burns and produces emissions so the carbon must be offset somehow.
You are correct it is not so hard to find the information. Make me wonder why you choose not to bolster your claims with information???

Goodbye; the problem is all the comments being made in cement without proper research. I've already solidly debunked two or three claims.

For example, progress is being made... companies/countries are not sitting by... things are not "pie in the sky". If not properly researched you will not know what is happening.

Some act like if it is not happening exactly right now, it is a failure.

And I wouldn't recommend an EV to anyone I know...

I also don't think we should "destroy our economy" as you stated "some" are trying to do. The timeframes seem far out enough for me so I don't see how this will destroy.

 

[sk47]

Some act like if it is not happening exactly right now, it is a failure.

And I wouldn't recommend an EV to anyone I know...

Hello; If some structure/infrastructure which is absolutely needed does not yet exist it is not yet real. The infrastructure for ICE is in place and works well. The someday scenario is a dream until it is real. I have seen way too many someday things not come to be. Not yet a failure, but will be if things which do not yet exist do not happen in time.

Back to a recent exchange. I'll bet a lot of folks did not give up their horses until there were gas stations, roads and mechanics/part houses around.

 

[jtmat]

Hello; If some structure/infrastructure which is absolutely needed does not yet exist it is not yet real. The infrastructure for ICE is in place and works well. The someday scenario is a dream until it is real. I have seen way too many someday things not come to be. Not yet a failure, but will be if things which do not yet exist do not happen in time.

Back to a recent exchange. I'll bet a lot of folks did not give up their horses until there were gas stations, roads and mechanics/part houses around.

Have you been out? EV infrastructure is being built all around. Heck, I saw a charging station in a small down south town when I visited earlier this month. I was admittingly shocked. If I had an EV, I'd have no issues charging driving my normal route from VA to SC. I wouldn't want to take the additional time/stops though. It is only going to get better.

Maybe it is not being built out everywhere...

Far as horses and buggy... it didn't go smoothly. There were many issues to start. Even a time when some people had to pull their cars with horses (there is a name for it). Change (most of the time) is difficult.

 

[jtmat]

The market continues to speak.

a slap in the face for Germany’s largest automaker, who has been dominant in its home market for so many years. It now may have lost this position by underestimating the rapidly increasing demand for electric vehicles such as the Tesla Model 3 and Model Y.

With almost 3,000 more registrations than the venerable Volkswagen Golf, the Tesla Model Y has become the best-selling car in Germany just a few months after the production of the electric SUV has started in Tesla's new Gigafactory Berlin. Furthermore, the Tesla Model 3 remains very popular in Europe's second most-populated country.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla...o-takes-the-lead-in-its-segment.661097.0.html

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

The market continues to speak.

a slap in the face for Germany’s largest automaker, who has been dominant in its home market for so many years. It now may have lost this position by underestimating the rapidly increasing demand for electric vehicles such as the Tesla Model 3 and Model Y.

With almost 3,000 more registrations than the venerable Volkswagen Golf, the Tesla Model Y has become the best-selling car in Germany just a few months after the production of the electric SUV has started in Tesla's new Gigafactory Berlin. Furthermore, the Tesla Model 3 remains very popular in Europe's second most-populated country.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla...o-takes-the-lead-in-its-segment.661097.0.html

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/20/germany-stocks-candles-energy-crisis/

In the mean time, Germans are stocking up on wax candles. What about muh EV?

 

[jtmat]

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/20/germany-stocks-candles-energy-crisis/

In the mean time, Germans are stocking up on wax candles. What about muh EV?

If that gets you off... okay. It is a part of war. Been there, done that....

Anyway... even more reason for EU to make their own energy.

 

[RagmopInKona]

You really don't know what's happening... wow...



Hint... go research Maersk.... not that hard. Point is progress is being made. Think the shipping industry says it may take to 2050. Give you a hint...
Maersk will operate the world’s first carbon neutral liner vessel by 2023 – seven years ahead of schedule




Just a little bit of research would help you tremendously! Ha ha ha...

Carbon neutral, doesn't mean non- polluting.
Bring it on back

 

[Gregs24]

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...eople-for-offensive-online-comments-one-year/

Yeah, we know all about British freedom of speech.

Not sure what this has to do with EV's?

But regarding your comment I am delighted our freedom of speech is tempered with responsibility and accountability. Freedom of speech does not normalise racism and hate speech.

 

[Gregs24]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/13/why-toyota-the-worlds-largest-automaker-isnt-all-in-on-evs.html
Hmmmm. Muh EV.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ev-battery-recycling-lack-policy-2022-12

Hmmmm. Muh EV battery problem in California.

Toyota has a goal to produce 3.5 million electric vehicles by 2030, which would be more than a third of its current sales, while rival automakers promise to exclusively offer such vehicles.

From the very article you posted. Seems pretty committed to me. Plus of course Toyota is has been producing hybrids for years and also the only FCEV in the Toyota Mirai.

Not really sure the point you are trying to make other than Toyota has a significant commitment to EV's?

From the second article "It's not a problem yet," Daniel Sperling, automotive member of the California Air Resources Board, told Insider. "But we need to invest in facilities now."

No shit Sherlock - hardly ground breaking. OF COURSE you need to invest in battery recycling which is why companies are doing it RIGHT NOW!

 

[Gregs24]

If that gets you off... okay. It is a part of war. Been there, done that....

Anyway... even more reason for EU to make their own energy.

Absolutely, because relying on oil is far from a secure policy. The guy is a troll. I wonder if we have seen him before?

 

[Gregs24]

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/20/germany-stocks-candles-energy-crisis/

In the mean time, Germans are stocking up on wax candles. What about muh EV?

Idiot. EV's are not for the next 3 months they are for decades and more.

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