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[Ericc B]

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[LarsenGrind]

Anyone doing this mod too?
http://www.vilner.eu/en/blog/28/for...e-mustang-leather-a-project-by-vilner-beijing

 

[MakStang]

Hey guys, one quick question:

Does anyone know if there is any way that I can use the Accessport in order to measure my vehicle's torque and hp (either engine's or rear wheels)? I thing there is a such a data monitor on the Accessport made for Subaru, but I could not figure out which one to use on the Accessport for Mustang :shrug:

Even an indirect way to measure torque and hp would be fine.

I need this because I would like to get a rough estimation on the effect of mods (exhaust, intercooler, tuning) on my car's performance.

 

[Notes]

Hey guys, one quick question:

Does anyone know if there is any way that I can use the Accessport in order to measure my vehicle's torque and hp (either engine's or rear wheels)? I thing there is a such a data monitor on the Accessport made for Subaru, but I could not figure out which one to use on the Accessport for Mustang :shrug:

Even an indirect way to measure torque and hp would be fine.

I need this because I would like to get a rough estimation on the effect of mods (exhaust, intercooler, tuning) on my car's performance.

Here you go, Glenn G has some interesting info about this!
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60998

 

[MakStang]

Here you go, Glenn G has some interesting info about this!
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60998

Thanks Notes. This is exactly what I was looking for.

Do you know if Glen G used the Estimated Torque (Current brake torque as calculated by the torque algorithm) or the TC Torque (Estimated engine torque at the flywheel) in his graphs?

My understanding is that he used the Estimated Torque and actually this is one of the gauges that I have on my Accessport, as I though this should be the one I need.

 

[Notes]

Thanks Notes. This is exactly what I was looking for.

Do you know if Glen G used the Estimated Torque (Current brake torque as calculated by the torque algorithm) or the TC Torque (Estimated engine torque at the flywheel) in his graphs?

My understanding is that he used the Estimated Torque and actually this is one of the gauges that I have on my Accessport, as I though this should be the one I need.

No idea, Id suggest you drop him a message...

 

[MakStang]

Yeah, I will do, but I think I figured it out. :headbonk:

After posting the above, I took my AP and decided to try several gauges that are relevant to what I wanted to measure (torque). I tried the following gauges (for explanation of each data monitor go to https://cobbtuning.atlassian.net/wiki/display/PRS/Ford+Data+Monitor+Support)

1. Estimated torque
2. TC torque
3. LTT Torque Final
4. Max Engine Torque Allow
5. Requested Torque
6. TTL Torque Final
7. TTL Torque Base
8. LTT Torque Base
9. Load Actual

After a 2-hours drive, the data monitors 4-9 were eliminated because they didn't make any sense. Data monitors 1-3 (in red/bold) seem to be very close to what I expected to see, based on the setup of my car. In fact Estimated Torque seems to be what I was looking for, as the numbers I made are almost a perfect match to Cobb's Stage 1 map.

A small piece of information: TC Torque seems to be equal to LTT Torque Final at any given time. Also both are very close to Estimated Torque (they are a bit lower though).

Next thing to do is some 3rd and 4th gear pulls in order to make a couple of "virtual dyno" graphs. I know that this method is not 100% accurate and that they are a calculation of the engine torque (not rwtq) through an algorithm, but I can use it to compare mods and get an estimation on my car's performance.

 

[R3v]

Where do you shop for parts in Europe? I want to order a new exhaust (thinking about the pricey Corsa Sport) but another 1k EUR for shipping is ridiculous. Is there any EU shop for Mustang parts with a decent offer?

 

[MustangMustHaves]

Where do you shop for parts in Europe? I want to order a new exhaust (thinking about the pricey Corsa Sport) but another 1k EUR for shipping is ridiculous. Is there any EU shop for Mustang parts with a decent offer?

MustangMustHaves.com

 

[R3v]

MustangMustHaves.com

I only saw a Roush Axleback on your web though. Not decided yet about the final setup but it will be probably Corsa Sport. Do you have that one?

 

[MustangMustHaves]

No problem at all. It's just not on the site cause I'll never have it in stock Can you PM me the exact exhaust you want?

 

[MakStang]

Following my previous post above, I did third gear pulls using the Accessport to obtain data logs in order to get the Estimated Torque. I know these numbers are calculated through an algorithm, but they should give a good estimation of the engine's torque and, consequently, hp.

The only mods that I have so far on the car is the MBRP Race Catback Exhaust system and a Cobb Accessport Stage 1 map (which is absolutely night and day compared to the stock map). In a couple of days I will install the cp-e Delta Core intercooler and right afterwords I will get an e-Tune from Adam. I wanted a tool to follow-up on how things progress as I move along with the mods.

Important: I converted all numbers to the US system of measurement (lb-ft instead of Nm for Torque, F instead of C for temperature), as this is the conventional way of plotting tq and hp. So max torque = 398 lb-ft or 539,6 Nm (in the metric system)

So, this is the graph:

 

[R3v]

Following my previous post above, I did third gear pulls using the Accessport to obtain data logs in order to get the Estimated Torque. I know these numbers are calculated through an algorithm, but they should give a good estimation of the engine's torque and, consequently, hp.

How are you satisfied with Race? I had it on previous Ecoboost and it was just too much for me, especially the drone during cruise around 2k RPM. I actually had headache from it sometimes.

Also, regarding Ecoboost tuning, if you want to go further contact this guy - http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/member.php?u=18342 - he's a friend from Czech Republic and he tuned his EB with Adam and it's really a beast.

 

[MustangMustHaves]

Following my previous post above, I did third gear pulls using the Accessport to obtain data logs in order to get the Estimated Torque. I know these numbers are calculated through an algorithm, but they should give a good estimation of the engine's torque and, consequently, hp.

The only mods that I have so far on the car is the MBRP Race Catback Exhaust system and a Cobb Accessport Stage 1 map (which is absolutely night and day compared to the stock map). In a couple of days I will install the cp-e Delta Core intercooler and right afterwords I will get an e-Tune from Adam. I wanted a tool to follow-up on how things progress as I move along with the mods.

So, this is the graph:

Cool! In the name of science, could you do the same on the Stage 0 map? Would be interesting to see differences per stage I'll do the same when I install the Vargas somewhere this month

 

[MakStang]

Wish I could do it PJ... I just turnt my car in for the installation of the cp-e FMIC.

Good news though: I will do the same thing on Cobb Stage 1 tune once the intercooler is on and also after I have the final version of the e-Tune. THIS would be interesting!

Also I have logged data such as charge air, inlet air and ambient temperature, rpm, speed and boost pressure. I will log the same data once the upgraded intercooler is on and also after I have the e-Tune. So we will have a lot to discuss about after I prepare the relevant graphs.

Now remember that I datalog at an open road, which is located by the sea and at sea level. Also the temperature in Greece at this time of the year is about 21 C. So if other people do the same thing (and I encourage that), I expect to seen different graphs, as car performance is influenced by temperature, barometric pressure and humidity. It would interesting though to see what other people get.

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