Daily Chat Topic Europe

[gojensen]

interdasting that ratings apparently doesn't match user experience... (they have pretty much the same ratings as far as I can see...) prices seem pretty much equal though up here... which isn't saying much, they are all expensive

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[HoosierDaddy]

I was driving to work this morning. Light rain, 17°C, taking a Long turn on the Autobahn. I was driving in fifth gear about 60km/h (1.300 RPM). I slowly started accelerating when the rear went loose.

What mode were you in, normal, sport, wet? Were stability or traction control disabled or reduced?

There are surfaces that tires will lose traction on with even the tiniest application of power. Years ago in Arizona ~30 cars spun on a relatively small spill of ATF. But would expect stability control (which didn't exist back then) to recover quickly after returning to clean road.

Also some S197 owners reported "crazy" stability control where instead of preventing a spin it would try to induce one while driving straight with no throttle inputs. I'm not aware of Ford ever admitting or fixing this rare problem. Owners best guess was either some sensor reporting bad data or some software bug that reacted incorrectly to valid sensor input. They would be driving down the road and the car would suddenly veer sharply one way or the other. A lot of opposite direction steering input could recover if done quickly enough. But some slow speed events ended up in yards or on sidewalks.

Maybe something like that is happening in UK Mustangs. I wouldn't bring it up except so many UK owners say they don't understand what happened.

Any chance your roads are paved with different materials than in the US that doesn't like the Pirelli rubber?

This is my second Mustang on the summer only P-Zeros and they have been excellent performing tires with no bad habits, for me at least. Not that one data point (either way) is any proof of anything.

 

[John577]

This happen when you still have the Pirelli's on the car ...

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[Ace]

[MENTION=20679]HoosierDaddy[/MENTION]: I was driving in normal mode, no assist deactived or smth like that.

Interestingly the EU Mustang already come with different PZeros than the US Performance Package models. EU Mustangs have the tire ID V480 and V481 while US PP Models come with P951. seems like they are using extra Pzeros for EU, which aren't better than the US ones. :headbonk:

@John: He was very lucky he didn't crash badly. Track is looking wet in the video, that's really not the weather to race with the Pzeros.

 

[John577]

Yeah, he was really lucky to "just" scratch his bumper on the side fence ...

 

[HoosierDaddy]

@HoosierDaddy : I was driving in normal mode, no assist deactived or smth like that.

So it might be a computer glitch. Not likely but as I said, a few S197s definitely had the nannies go nuts and apply one front brake for no reason. If a similar glitch did that to a back wheel.....

Again, not suggesting that happened just throwing out a possible factor for all the UK spins.

But since you say the tires are different than the US PPs, bad tires are a much more likely reason. But even then, its hard to imagine Ford not noticing that in testing unless there are huge quality differences between batches. Ford (or the tire maker) would never knowingly risk another disaster like the rollover fiasco a while back caused by tires blowing out.

 

[serbiologico]

This happen when you still have the Pirelli's on the car ...

hello John577
the problema is not Pirelli´s, (the car have Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2).
the problem was rain + cold Semislicks + grass walk...

Anyway, Pirelli´s are not the best option with rain

 

[Ace]

How do you know which tires were on the car? It has stock rims, so I would guess he used stock tires too

 

[serbiologico]

How do you know which tires were on the car? It has stock rims, so I would guess he used stock tires too

Dear... because I pay it...
Stock rims were waiting at home...
:shrug:

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Dear... because I pay it...
Stock rims was waiting at home...
:shrug:

I thought that could be it. Joined a year ago and the first post was saying what tires were on a car in a video.

Hope the light contacts didn't do much damage, Serbio

 

[serbiologico]

I thought that could be it. Joined a year ago and the first post was saying what tires were on a car in a video.

Hope the light contacts didn't do much damage, Serbio

Thank you.
Only a little scratch,
Easy to repair, only paint.

 

[UNtamed67]

Did you buy those over here in Europe? If so they might have a different compound than the Mexican P Zero's that are on our cars from the factory.

They are different, got confirmation by two tyre specialists...We got Mexican crap, they could at least have thrown a set of 24 Corona's in the trunk at delivery to compensate :cheers:

 

[UNtamed67]

Well it's been more years than I can remember since I last drove Pirelli tires but I won't be buying them any more period. Big brands like that cannot afford to mislead their customers by selling poor quality product under the same name on another continent. It's a global market and shit ends up everywhere.

Also big shame on Ford for A) using these tires in the first place and B) not equipping EU Mustangs with something of more decent quality.

Michelin Pilot Super Sport for me. Best tire I've ever driven.

Strange...you don't see these pirelli's on the GT350(R)...It's Michelin....addle:

 

[John577]

If you have an EU Ecoboost decklid laying around, someone is looking to buy it :
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61266

 

[Ace]

Only got the EU GT Panel lying around, hopefully anybody want to buy that

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