Catch Can Not Catching

[wmsky33]

Thanks for the link ed....why does it ask for intake size? Do they come in different sizes? Also does the single upr filter the same line as the single mishi can? Does the dual upr cover both sides? Sorry for all the questions but kind of lost if haven't noticed :headbonk:

Many aftermarket intakes are designed to be able to work with larger turbos, so the end that connects to the turbo is larger than the stock 2.25" turbo inlet. The UPR dual-valve CC comes with an adapter with a vacuum attachment for the second vacuum source. The adapter connects the end of the intake to the turbo inlet, so they need to know what adapter to send with the CC.

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[danzo]

Danzo

This is Danzo again, the origionator of this thread. Thanks guys for all the feedback, it is really appreciated. From what you've all said, I'm going to make a list of hypotheses (educated guesses based on information but not enough scientific information to make solid conclusions). Let me know if I'm forming the correct preliminary impressions.
1. Shorter drives, such as those made by Punchy 04 and I, may result in less catch in a Mishimoto catch can than might be experienced by someone making longer drives, suggesting that longer drives while the oil temp is at maximum normal temp may result in increased catch in the can. Hmmm.
2. Break-in practices and resulting ring seal tightness may influence the blow by and sludge produced by the engine throughout it's life. - Makes real sense.
3. The catch may increase as you approach the end of your oil's life in the block. Seems possible
4. The Mishimoto oil catch can may catch significantly less oil than the 3 hosed UPR type of catch can. I will not that Mishimoto's research suggests otherwise.
5. The harder you drive your car, the more blow-by and the more catch in the can. Makes perfect sense.
6. Low catch amount is equated with good ring seal and probable moderate driving practices. Sounds logical.

The question I guess I still have is: "What is the average amount of catch that can be expected of a normal operating Eco 4 Mustang engine with the Mishimoto catch can, driven by a "normal driver".....normal meaning somewhere between Mr. Mondo Goslow and Mr. Heavi Leftfoot. I wonder if Mishimoto has been able to conduct enough real research or obtained enough feedback from their catch can buyers to form any norms on this issue. Maybe I'll give them a call and see.
P.S. I went out last night after writing this first post and checked to see for sure that my catch can install wasn't crimping the hoses in any way and cutting off flow. They seem fine.
P.P.S. Just a heads-up. When I took my car to the dealer for the recall on the inadequate exhaust system insulation, they informed me that if anything went wrong with my engine which could be tied to the Mishimoto catch can, it was on my dime. However, the service representative also indicated that he doesn't see the catch can as being a threat to anyghing as long as it continues to ventillate the crank case. He said he understood the reasons for my having installed it but doesn't know if they are considered by Ford to be useful or not.

 

[Mishimoto]

I installed a Mishimoto Catch Can 900 miles ago toward the end of June. I checked it today to get a baseline. At first I thought it was totally void of anything, til I looked inside the canister with a bright light. It looked to have a thin, shiny film in the inside but was otherwise empty. I took a tissue paper and totally wiped out the inside of the canister and the result was a brown oil film on the tissue representing about the equivalent of two/three drops of oil. The inside of the catch can does smell like the inside of the block. I've read guys reporting like a teaspoon of catch after 500-1000 miles. I've double and tripple checked the installation and it is spot on according to instructional videos. I will admit that I've been driving it more conservatively than usual due to the summer heat and my desire to minimize the charge temp heat soak issue. But, I haven't exactly been babying it either. Am I really getting an abnormally small amount of catch, and if so, does anybody know why?

I've been getting the same results as you have. Not a bad thing but I also guess it depends on how much you drive your stang everyday too. I'm only 15 mins away from work so not allot of miles going on every day. I've had my Mustang since January and only put 4500 miles on her.

First, thanks for picking up our catch can setup guys! There are so many factors that go into how much fluid is captured by our catch can. The engine is a variable, the environment is a variable, and driving conditions will play a big role. Putting an exact amount per mileage is nearly an impossible figure to estimate. The only information I can provide is the results we had during the testing conducted on our EBM.

After slightly lower mileage, we saw the amount below.

This included both on-road driving as well as several dyno pulls. This is not an excessive amount, like produced with our Focus ST catch can kit, however it is certainly not something we want ending up in the intake of our EBM. Also, our CCV catch can was completely dry, which is why we did not offer such a kit. From your description, it seems as though we captured more fluid, which is certainly possible. I recommend checking the can once again at 1500 miles for another follow-up. You should have some buildup at that point.

If you are concerned about the functionality of our kit, an easy way to test would be to see what is re-entering the intake after our catch can. Pull the line “Out” line on our CC and check to see if any fluid is built up within the hose, it should be dry.

Thanks for the feedback!

This is a good thing! Catching a lot of oil indicates high crankcase pressure. I'm thinking the people catching lots of oil might have a slight leak from the rings. Once your oil gets older and thinner and as your engine ages you will start catching more. At 270k miles my supra put out quite a bit but still had decent compression.

Certainly a possibility, thanks for chiming in!

Maybe there is nothing to catch?
Since I don't have one, I'm hoping that is the case. :-)

There is always something to catch, the question is how much!

Since this catch can is installed between block mounted PCV to intake manifold .
This will only catch vapors in part throttle (no boost) conditions, as value is closed when boost happens .
Have you inspected the breather hose , the one going from valve cover to turbo intake , that is the one that generally gets wet under boost .

These are new engines so you shouldn't get much until many miles , cars with the breather tube going back to TB need cleaning over time, but with most turbo cars it goes to turbo inlet .

As noted within our R&D and above, we found no accumulation of fluid within the CCV line during our on-road testing. Because of this, we offer a PCV-side catch can setup only. If we do have requests for a dual can setup, we can certainly consider that as a future option.

PCV is on the turbo/air intake side - it comes off the valve cover area and has a sensor in between and runs to your air intake.
CCV is under the intake manifold and runs from the block to right behind the throttle body....this is where most of the catch cans go currently.
The UPR dual setup for $250 connects to both.

You sure about that ?
I don't have ecoboost but the PCV goes to intake manifold in all turbo cars I have seen .
One this one the PVC is in that block mounted plate on driver side . There a post around here of guys gutting the PCV to fix issue of oil going down exhaust pipe with AC on (low idle conditions ).

The hose that goes from valve cover to turbo intake is breather one .
Note: I don't know whats up with fords parts naming but seems wrong to me , they do call the breather hose the PVC hose and the PCV valve and block cover CC .

Correct Ed! The PCV valve is incorporated into a plate mounted to the driver’s side of the engine block. This line routes to the manifold, just behind the throttle body. This is the line we tie into with our catch can system!

This is Danzo again, the origionator of this thread. Thanks guys for all the feedback, it is really appreciated. From what you've all said, I'm going to make a list of hypotheses (educated guesses based on information but not enough scientific information to make solid conclusions). Let me know if I'm forming the correct preliminary impressions.
1. Shorter drives, such as those made by Punchy 04 and I, may result in less catch in a Mishimoto catch can than might be experienced by someone making longer drives, suggesting that longer drives while the oil temp is at maximum normal temp may result in increased catch in the can. Hmmm.
2. Break-in practices and resulting ring seal tightness may influence the blow by and sludge produced by the engine throughout it's life. - Makes real sense.
3. The catch may increase as you approach the end of your oil's life in the block. Seems possible
4. The Mishimoto oil catch can may catch significantly less oil than the 3 hosed UPR type of catch can. I will not that Mishimoto's research suggests otherwise.
5. The harder you drive your car, the more blow-by and the more catch in the can. Makes perfect sense.
6. Low catch amount is equated with good ring seal and probable moderate driving practices. Sounds logical.

The question I guess I still have is: "What is the average amount of catch that can be expected of a normal operating Eco 4 Mustang engine with the Mishimoto catch can, driven by a "normal driver".....normal meaning somewhere between Mr. Mondo Goslow and Mr. Heavi Leftfoot. I wonder if Mishimoto has been able to conduct enough real research or obtained enough feedback from their catch can buyers to form any norms on this issue. Maybe I'll give them a call and see.
P.S. I went out last night after writing this first post and checked to see for sure that my catch can install wasn't crimping the hoses in any way and cutting off flow. They seem fine.
P.P.S. Just a heads-up. When I took my car to the dealer for the recall on the inadequate exhaust system insulation, they informed me that if anything went wrong with my engine which could be tied to the Mishimoto catch can, it was on my dime. However, the service representative also indicated that he doesn't see the catch can as being a threat to anyghing as long as it continues to ventillate the crank case. He said he understood the reasons for my having installed it but doesn't know if they are considered by Ford to be useful or not.

Thanks for the detailed write-up! As you noted, it is rather difficult to put an exact number on the amount of fluid to accumulate within our kit. The variables are endless and we really have no way of putting an average behind this or an expected amount. We can report that several of our customers are reporting similar accumulation to the amount shown in our image above after a thousand miles or so. We can note that you should be accumulating something, even if it is a film of fluid around the can or a few droplets on the internal baffle.

Please keep us updated on the progress of your collection amount as you put more mileage on the kit.

It would be quite a challenge to prove that our kit attributed to any warranty-related concerns. The catch can simply splices into the PCV system, no components have been replaced or eliminated. Our product has proven to install without tripping any CEL lights. I don’t think you will have any issues related to this.

Have a good weekend guys!

Thanks
-John

 

[danzo]

Danzo

Thanks Mishimoto for your supportive input. I'll keep checking every thousand miles to see if the quantity of catch increases and report back to this thread at that time. As of now, I only have 4,500 miles on the engine. It will be interesting to track. Now, on to the intercooler. Got any Mishimoto FMIC sales events coming up?

 

[Mishimoto]

Thanks Mishimoto for your supportive input. I'll keep checking every thousand miles to see if the quantity of catch increases and report back to this thread at that time. As of now, I only have 4,500 miles on the engine. It will be interesting to track. Now, on to the intercooler. Got any Mishimoto FMIC sales events coming up?

Absolutely, that's what we are here for. Looking forward to your results when the can is checked again, keep us informed!

We do not have plans to launch another discounted sale on the intercooler kit, it is now officially released to our vendor channel. At this point, our vendors will have the best available pricing for the intercooler setup. Let me know if I can help you out with locating one!

Thanks again!
-John

 

[Doug]

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[dragonacc]

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[UPRjoe]

We do offer catch cans for both the Clean side of the engine and the dirty side of the engine. The most important thing is to use a can that has been properly engineered and does not use generic filters with out any real chamber separations.

I will be updating a few posts with more new catch can systems as we continually improve our products and the performance they deliver.

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