Boss 302 is done... at least a while

[MPH]

90k??

maybe after all current supply runs out and it becomes a collectors car... but man I hope we don't see that kind of price gouging if we see limited supply of 2015 models.

Oh don't worry there will be price gouging on any new Mustang. When the new 2005 came out I wanted one so bad I couldn't stand it but every dealer around here for almost the entire 2005 model year was asking $1000 to $5000 ABOVE sticker. I ain't paying sticker, let alone above sticker so I ended up waiting until I think September when the first 2006s hit the lot, which they had those marked at $1000 above but by then were willing to negotiate.

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[Mriley]

A fair point...............but for me it would make sense that GT350 is an SVT product.

Right now, there are lots and lots of questions..........but not many answers

How many Mustang SVT products have been made? Just the Cobra, GT, GT500? The Mach 1 was just a regular Ford product right?

 

[Twin Turbo]

Stolen from Wiki

• 1993 SVT Cobra
• 1993 SVT Cobra R
• 1993-1995 Ford F-Series#SVT Lightning
• 1994-1995 SVT Cobra
• 1995 SVT Cobra R
• 1996-1998 SVT Cobra
• 1998-2000 SVT Contour
• 1999-2001 SVT Cobra
• 2000 SVT Cobra R
• 1999-2004 Ford F-Series#SVT Lightning
• 2003-2004 SVT Cobra
• 2002-2004 SVT Focus
• 2005–2006 Ford GT
• 2007–present Shelby GT500
• 2010–present Ford F-150 SVT Raptor

 

[OKCfan]

The Boss 302 is one of the few cars I'd buy right now and not wait for the 2015. Will go down as one of the best Mustangs ever made. What will replace it? From what I've gathered, our possibilities are...

GT350
Mach 1
Boss 351
SVT Cobra

I'm calling GT350 with 5.0 turbo in 2015 :clap2:

 

[shelby1k]

I'm calling GT350 with 5.0 turbo in 2015 :clap2:

They did do the GT350 concept for the 45th w/SC 5.0, may be was a preview of better things to come for the next anniv.

 

[Mriley]

How about a turbo 4 banger with the SVO moniker and a SVT brand Cobra R... time warp! :headbonk:

I dont know, a Cobra R? Didn't they only make a few hundred of those for each run? If its to replace the Boss 302 they're going to have to make a lot more.

 

[stangray11]

Cobra R makes total sense if they want to go after the Z28. Every R has been stripped down -- no radio/audio, no AC, no cruise control, backseat delete, no fog lights, interior only available in charcoal. A true track car.

If they bring this back with the same identity, I think we'll still need another model (eventually) to fill the void left by the Boss 302.

 

[crazyfastfreddy]

Oh don't worry there will be price gouging on any new Mustang. When the new 2005 came out I wanted one so bad I couldn't stand it but every dealer around here for almost the entire 2005 model year was asking $1000 to $5000 ABOVE sticker. I ain't paying sticker, let alone above sticker so I ended up waiting until I think September when the first 2006s hit the lot, which they had those marked at $1000 above but by then were willing to negotiate.

Yea man i remember that in 2005, altho i wasnt seeing no 5k above MSRP, 1-2k yes. It doesnt help that u have all of the special editions ending production and prolly wont see the limiteds for another 2+ years. GTs are gonna be flying off as soon as they hit dealers. Forget X-plan too.

 

[Bossing]

From Mustangs Daily

Five reasons why Ford should have built a 2014 Mustang Boss 351 (4/8/13)

Things have been a little quiet around the Mustang camp lately, if you haven’t noticed. After a steady barrage of updates the past few years, from the design refresh in 2010 to the powertrain updates in 2011 and another styling change in 2013, Ford hasn’t uttered a peep about the Mustang for quite some time. It’s quite understandable, considering they’ve got their hands full prepping the launch of the all new Mustang for 2015, but that doesn’t mean many Mustang fans, including ourselves, wouldn’t love to see something new with the current lineup. That feeling was never stronger when Chevy introduced the Camaro Z/28 at the New York Auto Show earlier this month. It got us thinking. What if Ford built one last Mustang on the S197 platform? One last special edition. The Boss 351. Here’s five reasons why we think Ford should have built it.

5. Heritage.

The S197 platform is retro by nature, and Ford loves calling on the Mustang’s storied past. This was never more true with the Boss 302. Ford repeated history in more ways than one, building the Boss 302 for only two years and following the styling cues of both the 1969 and 1970 models. Just like decades ago, Ford built a racing version (two actually) and won a championship. And what did Ford do the following year back in 1971? They built a Boss 351. Yes, the car isn’t as famous, beautiful or as desirable as the Boss 302, but that doesn’t necessarily matter. If Ford wanted to truly follow the Mustangs history and continue the Boss name, they could have gone to the 351 and done a single year production run just like they did in 1971.

4. A ready-to-go powertrain.

Assuming Ford did want to build a Mustang Boss 351, then what engine would they use? The answer is relatively simple. The current Shelby GT500′s 5.8-liter V8 measures out at 354.6 cubic inches of displacement. To us, that’s close enough, and we’re sure Ford could get the V8 down to 351cid if they wanted to. Converted to a high-revving naturally aspirated setup, the engine could easily produce north of 500 horsepower and 450 lb-ft torque.

3. The Camaro Z/28 needs a competitor.

Both the Mustang and Camaro have always competed, and the two have usually maintained fairly similar models. Historically the Boss 302 and Z/28 were fierce rivals, both on and off the track, but the same can’t be said today. Unfortunately the Z/28 is entering production just as the Boss 302 is ending, and the two are fairly different cars anyway. In reality the Boss 302 faces off with the Camaro 1LE and the Shelby GT500 goes toe-to-toe with the ZL1. That leaves nothing to face off with the Z/28. Enter the Boss 351. A naturally aspirated 5.8-liter V8 could produce similar horsepower and torque numbers to the Z/28′s LS7.

2. A Cobra R successor

This somewhat builds on the reasoning of the last point. If Ford decided to do a Camaro Z/28 competitor, it wouldn’t be the first time they built a large displacement, naturally aspirated Mustang specifically for the track. The Cobra R models of the 1990s and 2000 have become legendary. With the Cobra name currently not in use, a Boss 351 would be a perfect way to continue the brand under a different moniker. The focus would be on reducing weight weight and track performance. It’s been nearly a decade and a half since Ford built the Cobra R, so it would be great to see its return, even under a different name.

1. The S197 needs a good send-off.

With the Boss 302 ending production for 2013, that leaves the Mustang lineup without a special edition. Yes, we have the GT500, but it’s been in production long enough to be considered a standard model now, and the California Special isn’t anything more than a trim package. Being the last year of the platform, it’s sad to see the S197 go out with little fanfare. Sales are dwindling, and all eyes are on 2015. What the S197 needs is a good send-off in the form of a special car. A Boss 351 would serve as a final tribute to the current Mustang platform.

 

[GTsquid]

Soem good points.. I think theyre right. S197 needs a good sendoff. At least should've ended Boss 302 production a year later. They could use the extra sales that's for sure.

 

[shelby1k]

If they are saying the Z/28 needs a competitor, it makes more sense to wait until a new, lighter, more modern platform with IRS etc. to base the Boss 351 off of than to do a one year production (I think that's what they are suggesting) just as a farewell to the S197.

 

[stangray11]

Five reasons why Ford should have built a 2014 Mustang Boss 351 (4/8/13)

2. A Cobra R successor

This somewhat builds on the reasoning of the last point. If Ford decided to do a Camaro Z/28 competitor, it wouldn’t be the first time they built a large displacement, naturally aspirated Mustang specifically for the track. The Cobra R models of the 1990s and 2000 have become legendary. With the Cobra name currently not in use, a Boss 351 would be a perfect way to continue the brand under a different moniker. The focus would be on reducing weight weight and track performance. It’s been nearly a decade and a half since Ford built the Cobra R, so it would be great to see its return, even under a different name.

Exactly what I was saying earlier, except keep it the Cobra R. The Boss and the Cobra R are not even close. The type of weight reductions the latter has been willing to make far exceed the ones of the Boss, which is still comfortable enough as a DD. The Cobra Rs are rare cars now b/c they are so niche, but if Chevy is doing it, Ford will have to to compete.

 

[JackHoya]

Soem good points.. I think theyre right. S197 needs a good sendoff. At least should've ended Boss 302 production a year later. They could use the extra sales that's for sure.

The S197 has already had a great run. Stretching one more model out of it is not necessary IMO. They're already trying to keep up 2014 sales by staying so quiet about the next gen.

 

[Bossing]

Yeah we won't see any earth shattering Dearborn cracking news for the S197 2014 models... definitely by now since the '14s are hitting dealer lots and customers' hands.

 

[WRC]

Stolen from Wiki

• 
  []1993 SVT Cobra
  []1993 SVT Cobra R
  []1993-1995 Ford F-Series#SVT Lightning
  []1994-1995 SVT Cobra
  []1995 SVT Cobra R
  []1996-1998 SVT Cobra
  []1998-2000 SVT Contour
  []1999-2001 SVT Cobra
  []2000 SVT Cobra R
  []1999-2004 Ford F-Series#SVT Lightning
  []2003-2004 SVT Cobra
  []2002-2004 SVT Focus
  []2005–2006 Ford GT
  []2007–present Shelby GT500
• 2010–present Ford F-150 SVT Raptor

Interesting, didn't realize the Cobra was really the only SVT product for the Mustang until 2005. From the looks of it, the REAL track car on there is the GT, based off GT40, no?

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