Are you running a LUND tune?

[kapiteinlangzaam]

This is the reply I got from Jon Sr.... me thinks he no likey EU Mustangs, hahaha.

Anyhoo, now running the less mental throttle - I dont care what he says, the std. map makes it easier to drive! LOL.

"I truly think the Euro/UK Mustangs are weaker than US . I run the same throttle cal in 100s of US built GTs and get zero complaint. In Fact they love it.
What you guy are feeling as over sensitive throttle is the additional power gain.

Not a big deal I returned the throttle calibration to stock. So it should feel significantly less ."

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[Manders Mustang]

This is the reply I got from Jon Sr.... me thinks he no likey EU Mustangs, hahaha.

Anyhoo, now running the less mental throttle - I dont care what he says, the std. map makes it easier to drive! LOL.

"I truly think the Euro/UK Mustangs are weaker than US . I run the same throttle cal in 100s of US built GTs and get zero complaint. In Fact they love it.
What you guy are feeling as over sensitive throttle is the additional power gain.

Not a big deal I returned the throttle calibration to stock. So it should feel significantly less ."

Judging on what gibbo's said, and other stuff, I'd say that, it could be more down to us using ours mainly as dailies, pzeros, and the awful weather, as to why we opt to change it.

But yes, ours are weaker, by about 20 horses. :shrug:

 

[welsh treg]

Judging on what gibbo's said, and other stuff, I'd say that, it could be more down to us using ours mainly as dailies, pzeros, and the awful weather, as to why we opt to change it.

But yes, ours are weaker, by about 20 horses. :shrug:

20 horse down - mine isn't :ford:

 

[Gibbo205]

This is the reply I got from Jon Sr.... me thinks he no likey EU Mustangs, hahaha.

Anyhoo, now running the less mental throttle - I dont care what he says, the std. map makes it easier to drive! LOL.

"I truly think the Euro/UK Mustangs are weaker than US . I run the same throttle cal in 100s of US built GTs and get zero complaint. In Fact they love it.
What you guy are feeling as over sensitive throttle is the additional power gain.

Not a big deal I returned the throttle calibration to stock. So it should feel significantly less ."

I see it from his point of view, he probably put a lot of hours and time into improve throttle sensitivity and getting rid of the lazy stock feeling car and to make it feel quicker by just tweaking driver demand tables.

So when all us Europeans, British and Australians all start writing to him complaining he probably just thinks were a bunch of bitching whiners.


Also the Mustang drivers smoother in warmer climate, I noticed this on mine stock and tuned, in winter it never drove as smooth as it did in Summer. So when a tuner tweaks the driver demand to improve response by making it more sensitive for us in the colder climates who drive them every day really start to notice it and it becomes more annoying when trying to commute in traffic at very light speed with minimal throttle inputs.

If we all lived in America, warm/hot weather, big wide roads then the issue would not be as apparent and same goes for those who have them just as weekend toys or drag racing.

But as a daily car the stock throttle maps, driver demand, torque tables are better, plus once tuned anyway the extra ignition timing makes the car more responsive, no need to further add response by messing with driver demand tables.

The kind of person who goes out and buys a pedal max, sprint booster type device for their car will absolute love the improved sensitivity with a Lund tune as it negates the need for such a device, but for me I absolutely hate those devices.

End of the day I am not the only one who noticed this, but I am the only one who kicked up enough of a fuss to get it corrected, now there is quite a few guys on the forum requesting the update on their tune with Jon Sr. as it seems the guys working for him do not have access to this area of the maps he writes or the know how. Though once he gets fed up of us all mailing him he will probably train his guys to make these tweaks haha.

All my touchy pedal issues was 90% down to the driver demand tweaks, it now drives much better with the GT 350 TB, yes the stock TB is a touch better when cold (smoother) but the GT 350 TB makes more power, is snappier and makes the car sound nicer (deeper).


So how do you like the throttle now? Also EU LHD cars get the good headers, they are same mechanical setup as USA car, they are only less powerful due to the Ford map for EU having more emission controls.

 

[kapiteinlangzaam]

Have only done about 30km today. It feels good. Have also gone back to running 98RON when I filled it today.

I normally use 95, but when I filled it with 98 for those Autobahn runs last week I could really feel the difference.

Ive got both maps on the SD card now, so can switch between them (if I have 5 mins to spare at the roadside, LOL).... For day to day stuff and town driving, this new map is definitely going to be more usable... for balls-out stuff I still have the original map in reserve.

As much as I understand he might be pissed at us EU lot requesting changes, that also part of the business and the more feedback they get from us the better they can make it for future customers!

I have had the 'its been OK for 100s of others' response a few times from US companies now, it just seems like such a cop out answer to me. But maybe thats just me

 

[Gibbo205]

Have only done about 30km today. It feels good. Have also gone back to running 98RON when I filled it today.

I normally use 95, but when I filled it with 98 for those Autobahn runs last week I could really feel the difference.

Ive got both maps on the SD card now, so can switch between them (if I have 5 mins to spare at the roadside, LOL).... For day to day stuff and town driving, this new map is definitely going to be more usable... for balls-out stuff I still have the original map in reserve.

As much as I understand he might be pissed at us EU lot requesting changes, that also part of the business and the more feedback they get from us the better they can make it for future customers!

I have had the 'its been OK for 100s of others' response a few times from US companies now, it just seems like such a cop out answer to me. But maybe thats just me

Man be careful!!!

You said your running my tune yes? If they gave you my tune, that tune is geared for 99 RON, slapping 95 in the tank could be causing knock issues that the car cannot correct, don't risk your engine buddy. If you want to run 95, you should get some datalogging done to make sure it is safe, they will check them for you instantly and report back, even I would happily check them for you.

You want to be having no positive knock, though upto around +2 is fine even at sustained WOT, above 4 however I'd be scared.

Yes the US companies like the response it is fine for others, but there driving is different and for whatever reasons Americans seem to typically love very sensitive gas pedals.....

 

[kapiteinlangzaam]

No im running a 91-93 flex tune, made for me and my setup.

I mentioned your tune to him as an example of what I wanted with the throttle mapping.

 

[Gibbo205]

No im running a 91-93 flex tune, made for me and my setup.

I mentioned your tune to him as an example of what I wanted with the throttle mapping.

Ah sweet, yes mine is 93-94 tune, not officially flex, but its enabled anyway so the car can adjust either way but of course they can only adjust so much before BANG.

 

[kapiteinlangzaam]

As an aside, ive seen it mentioned that the NGauge should pick up a Knock PID that can be displayed, but I cant seem to find it on mine :(

 

[Gibbo205]

As an aside, ive seen it mentioned that the NGauge should pick up a Knock PID that can be displayed, but I cant seem to find it on mine :(

Yeah definetely possible, the one I borrowed had it enabled on the screen. But just do a log with a few pulls, your highway runs would of being perfect logging for Lund, nothing is more harsh on the car than a run in 5th gear from 2500-7000rpm but with that they could really dial your tune in.


If you ever do any more videos, could you focus on just single gear pulls, like 3rd (30-100), 4th (30-130) and 5th (50-160), miles per hour of course.

Also do your absolute best attempt at 30-130mph and 60-130mph through the gears, as Americans love that statistic, whereas the EU loves the 100-200km stint which I think you did anyway which is something like 60-124mph.

 

[kapiteinlangzaam]

I figured out the knock PID, had to rescan the car in a different OBD mode.

Ive just been out and run the car.

5th gear WOT pull from 40mph...... = -10.0.......

So its adding more than 10deg of timing, which is a good thing... right!

 

[Gibbo205]

I figured out the knock PID, had to rescan the car in a different OBD mode.

Ive just been out and run the car.

5th gear WOT pull from 40mph...... = -10.0.......

So its adding more than 10deg of timing, which is a good thing... right!

Yes!

I am guessing you have not sent any logs into Lund yet? The fact its adding so much says to me your still on their first revision, send them a log in and say can you make the car punch harder up top and down low.

They will add more base timing, then it will be another 10-15HP quicker, they will also sort fuelling in the top-end as well for more power.

 

[kapiteinlangzaam]

Yes!

I am guessing you have not sent any logs into Lund yet? The fact its adding so much says to me your still on their first revision, send them a log in and say can you make the car punch harder up top and down low.

They will add more base timing, then it will be another 10-15HP quicker, they will also sort fuelling in the top-end as well for more power.

This is a revised tune.... I sent logs after I first got the LUND.

However it is a 91-93 (95-98) flex tune, and I only just filled the car yesterday with 98 after a period of running 95... I wonder if the ECU is still learning the new fuel? Would that make sense?

 

[Gibbo205]

This is a revised tune.... I sent logs after I first got the LUND.

However it is a 91-93 (95-98) flex tune, and I only just filled the car yesterday with 98 after a period of running 95... I wonder if the ECU is still learning the new fuel? Would that make sense?

Yes it could be learning can take 2-3 tanks before it will fully adapt. Though doing top speed runs will help to speed things along.

The ECU will pull timing for poor fuel in an instant, but when it comes to adding it back in, of course it does it much slower, for obvious safety reasons.

 

[kapiteinlangzaam]

Yes it could be learning can take 2-3 tanks before it will fully adapt. Though doing top speed runs will help to speed things along.

The ECU will pull timing for poor fuel in an instant, but when it comes to adding it back in, of course it does it much slower, for obvious safety reasons.

Thought so, ill run a few tanks of 98 through it and see what happens before bothering LUND.

Im going to commute in it tomorrow, so thats a good 50 miles of mway thrashing I can give it

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