JohnnyUtah
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4 model years? I think you mean 3. Wasn't it a 2015 that came out in late 2015? Pretty sure.
The GT350 came out 2 years before the ZL1 1LE., which arrived in 2017.
Somehow it's 4 years now.
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2017 PCOTY. Not the ZL1 1LE.
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The GT350 came out 2 years before the ZL1 1LE., which arrived in 2017.
Somehow it's 4 years now.
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If I were in the market to buy a solely track-intent car to drive, then you’d have a point. But I’m not in that demographic. I bought a car that performed well on the track AND on the street. The ZL1 1LE does not fit the bill despite the fact that 98% of people who buy one will never put it on a track but simply drive it to shows and cruise-ins.
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So... a supercharged top model will beat a naturally aspirated one? One that has been the same for 3 years? Duh...
Lets revisit when the car that actually in the same class comes out... see what you have to say then.
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That’s right, the Alpha platform is forged from a unobtainium and was engineered with divine inspiration while the S550 is simply pot metal pieced together by pimply-faced adolescents in shop class.
Get real, you can give no data to support the claim that the Camaro has a better chassis, you just simply regurgitate what you’ve heard elsewhere. Give it some support from an engineering perspective and then maybe we can debate the particulars. Until then, stop being so butt-hurt about the Camaro playing second-fiddle to the Mustang in the hearts and minds of both the general public and automotive enthusiasts.
Again, we don’t even know if a GT500 is coming and, even if it does, if it offers a more rounded driving experience while conceding performance metrics to the one-trick ZL1 1LE, I’m fine with that.
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“High revving DOHC engines are for posers who want to FEEL like they're going fast”
I wish this section would get cleaned out at least.
I wish this section would get cleaned out at least.
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Do you own a ZL1 1LE? Do you have a brand new car you use for track only? How many people in your neighborhood do? Do they all (and you) deserve to have their manliness called into question along with me?
I think GM built a car that looks good on paper but is not very useful in the real world. You don't have much of a counter argument if your only comeback is calling me a name.
I admit I was stretching it, but the GT350 came out as a 2015 model year and the 2019s are extremely close now. Whether it's 3 or 4 model years, it's still the old Ford beating the brand new Chevy.
Yes the ZL1 1LE was rushed out by GM to try to prop up lagging Camaro sales. Too bad it hasn't worked. Maybe if they had taken the time to create a better car it would have helped.
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I agree that the ZL1 1LE has an inferior chassis. That is why GM has to go with stiffer suspension, extremely sticky tires, huge ugly aero components and more power to compete with Ford. Too bad the Camaro doesn't have a better chassis that can have a more compliant suspension and still beat the Mustang. But GM still is taking shortcuts rather than coming up with better solutions.
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Yet here you are. If a given product is truly “miles ahead” of another, it really doesn’t need anyone to defend it or cheerlead for it. Despite your belief that the Camaro is a “better” product than the Mustang, the Camaro continues to be the “other pony car”. I can see that reality really gets under your skin.
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So if a car has sticky tires, stiff suspension, aero, and power, it automatically has an inferior chassis?:lol:
Can someone tell the Viper ACR it has an inferior chassis to almost every supercar ever made?
It will be interesting to see a head to head on a 2018 GT vs 2018 SS. Both with Magneride and similar tires.
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WRONG! The Camaro is selling 30,000 cars a month. The numbers you see are #fakenewsDo you own a ZL1 1LE? Do you have a brand new car you use for track only? How many people in your neighborhood do? Do they all (and you) deserve to have their manliness called into question along with me?
I think GM built a car that looks good on paper but is not very useful in the real world. You don't have much of a counter argument if your only comeback is calling me a name.
I admit I was stretching it, but the GT350 came out as a 2015 model year and the 2019s are extremely close now. Whether it's 3 or 4 model years, it's still the old Ford beating the brand new Chevy.
Yes the ZL1 1LE was rushed out by GM to try to prop up lagging Camaro sales. Too bad it hasn't worked. Maybe if they had taken the time to create a better car it would have helped.
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I agree that the ZL1 1LE has an inferior chassis. That is why GM has to go with stiffer suspension, extremely sticky tires, huge ugly aero components and more power to compete with Ford. Too bad the Camaro doesn't have a better chassis that can have a more compliant suspension and still beat the Mustang. But GM still is taking shortcuts rather than coming up with better solutions.
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If a car has a superior chassis it can perform better without having to have suspension so stiff as to be difficult to live with.
I don't think the Camaro actually has a superior chassis. I haven't seen any evidence to convince me there is anything better about the Camaro chassis versus that of the Mustang.
Can you give me any info that demonstrates undoubtably the chassis is better on the Camaro? Anything other than a statement from the manufacturer or word of mouth?
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I’m guessing the SS beats the GT in most of the performance metrics and that would not bother me in the slightest. I buy my vehicles based on my driving experience in them, not on a bunch of published metrics.
I bought, tracked and daily drove my GT350R for 18K miles and it offered great performance but, truth be told, I find my Raptor to be more enjoyable to drive.
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