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Yup. It's just like other industrys -- I'm in the pro audio industry and the big mags basically love everything, gush about everything, products according to them are mostly 9.5/10s and just have some subtle differences based on taste :) e.g. they don't want to offend the MFG, you almost never...

You have it backwards, if you like to wrench/work on cars they are fantastic for those reasons! You get this ridiculously awesome car for cheap. Unreliable but have a 2nd card and relax :)

I thought that was a joke or something :headbonk:

Yikes, I hope not. That makes the fusion look like an SUV (smaller grille, more lower fascia is an SUV thang)

When your 45 it is a mid life crisis but when you are 65 now you are the cool Grandpa!! :headbang:

OUCH! But all the "Magazine Racers" are gonna be proven wrong, right?

what a car what a photo! :clap2:

wow thx that site rocks!

2 year old GT's are going to be great values, licking my chops now. Maybe some people will freakout over Gen6 Camaro and there will be some extra good deals ;)

I think you mean 2SS vs. a base GTPP, I agree it's not optimal, which is why I proposed factoring in the weight difference using some math. I think the SS still is faster on manual right? On auto not even close SS Yeah the auto seems to be where Ford looks like it has its pants down. No...

:D I like keeping it light. I think modding is fun too, I mainly see value in comparing stock vs. stock. Cheers I think you don't realize that if someone logs in here to this thread, all we see is your name "mustang_guy" and that your car has an engine. If you have some type of credentials to...

I don't get it either, but that's what Ford sent. However, how much of a speed advantage do you think the weight creates? Still the Camaro is faster factoring the difference. Wow, so you do agree Chevy has an advantage? I had thought you were saying it didn't, maybe I read your posts wrong or...

Nice!!!!

Why do you think this? Just seems like wishful thinking. Just as easily and with no evidence I can "think that the times will be farther apart than you think" People are gonna compare stock cars. Comparing modded cars is stupid. I understand you like to modify, but either car could be...

OK, some for the hood. How much? Why do they need such a large hood or engine bay? Is the Coyote that much bigger? Do you they feel obligated to leave a lot of room in the engine bay for mods? I mean you can s/c an S62 E39 engine just fine, so if there is room in the E39 why so much Hood in the...

It just seems so bizarre to have these gigantic cars and you can only comfortably seat 2 and there's no trunk space in a camaro. Where does all the space go? I have a 1997 BMW E39 and it has a massive trunk, subs in trunk, seats 4 comfortably, and has a V8. It's also smaller footprint than...

Considering you can get below X-plan just by logging into TrueCar I'd say that's a minimum :) Ask for a lot, see what they give. Exhaust, free oil changes, etc.

Pointless to talk mods. Yeah and I can mod an old fox body to blow the doors off of you for less in the 1/4m, we all know this stuff. We compare stock cars, not modded.

It's ford's answer to the 6G Camaro SS numbers. Bigger trunk opening FTW

Latest MT test had half a second difference (same driver, same day, same place). That is massive, spanking or whatever you want to not call it, it's a big loss. Ford has to respond was my point, I think you agree at least on that part. No response for 2017 would be a mistake. All these arguments...