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Agreed. And that is really sad because "Lincoln" used to mean something -- and that something was a lot more than "Cadillac" meant...

They need to replace the person that designs the EVERYTHING on a Lincoln, and get someone that actually has ideas.

I will give you that -- the Sonata and Elantra are unique enough. But to say that Hyundai and Kia are creative because the current generation of Hyundai's mid-size and small sedan don't look like every other car is a long shot. Everything Hyundai built before those two cars looks like...

I think the OP was saying the Kia looked like the Mustang, not the other way around. Regardless what it looks like, Kia and Hyundai don't have a creative bone in there design team, so expect it to have design queues from a few cars. It does look to be BRZ/FR-S sized.

I know. I was agreeing with you.

This. I can't imagine Ford engineered the rear of the car to handle both, nor design the floor pan for the production car to be able to swap in a SRA either. Not with any kind of back seat in the car at least.

Where is CO is your friend?

Agreed. The reason the Camaro is so big and heavy is because of the Zeta platform. They just don't have room to take anything out of it(Just like D2C). That will change some with Alpha, and some size could be lost, and weight will most likely be lost, but even then, it wont' get close to the...

The Camaro may or may not be heavier than the Mustang -- it depends on what the Mustangs weight ends up to be. The Camaro will NOT be as light as or lighter than the Corvette though. Ever. Unless it is some $80k fake Z28 or something. Chevy has a problem that Ford does not. Ford CAN...

Yeah, it definitely was cheaply made matchbox on wheels. So was the Corvette, just slightly less. And the Corvette ALWAYS had only two seats. You are are arguing your point as if they HAD 4 seats and met their weight goals by eliminating the back 2. Seriously, go back and read the...

Appears so -- maybe it only operates in vacuum...

The M4 looks REALLY good, but man does it look loooonnnnnggggg. The exterior, specifically the front end, is the best part about these cars. I will say the lines are sort of confusing, and cause shadowing that make the car look like it has an awkward rake. Also, the FIRST thing I thought of...

So, when I first saw the pictures of the real car, not only did I dislike it, I hated it. I really couldn't really put my finger on what it was overall. Appearance-wise, - I REALLY dislike the fog lamp area. The marker/turn signal above the fogs looks like a cheap after thought, and it is a...

You aren't in the minority. The majority does WANT a lighter mustang, and most of that majority would like to see the size drop a little bit. Its just that no weight loss or 100lb gain is not a deal breaker for most.

Ok, since we are comparing them now -- here is a fun fact: My 1988 Mustang weighs ~400lbs less than the smaller 1988 Corvette at less than half the price new. Weird. 25 years later, technology has increased 10 fold, and that price gap has closed some, yet some have still been tricked into...

Agreed -- there should be no direct comparison. I know I have not been comparing them directly, I didn't see any one else either.

Considering you only take into account up front cost, I don't think you even know what you are saying I am wrong about...

Not sure on fiberglass but it would be lighter -- how much is the questions. Now, carbon fiber is where it is at. While it has come down significantly, it is still pretty expensive in a structural application, but it is not AS expensive anymore in regards to body panels and such.

Sorry, but you obviously didn't read ALL of what I wrote. I NEVER said Ford doesn't know how the market works, thank you. I said: Listen, it is REALLY easy for a company to get very concerned about up front costs, especially when the returns exists, but are not easily measurable -- sometimes...

Agree 100%.