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the non r is what i was talking about, and honestly by your argument you can't say any car is faster then any car unless the same track, day, and driver were used so

so the 1lw was 1.66 slower then the r, i said it was in line or could beat the gt350 so by that time id say thats petty accurate. trust me id take either a gt350 or any day over and camaro

again I'm not brand specific iv actually owned more mustangs then camaros but to say its gonna fall apart is pretty crazy when my 15gtpp has 7k on it and the clutch pulled apart like many orhers have, my car leaks from a pin hole in a weld so its needed to be fixed and the whole roof repainted...

while your correct theres no head to head And my statement was based off track times the one posted is the r boot the base gt350, idk but iv never seen a gtpp come amywhere near that so a valid argument could be made that the 1le is rigjt in par with the r on certain tracks based on that. and...

if you wanna call it that i guess so, but facts dont lie the 1le can beat a gt350 on the track and comes with all and more that the pp2 does and if you include the fact you need to add the 301a pack its 2k cheaper. i love my 15gtpp but I'm bout paying more for a car that is less optioned and...

i tried like hell to get a pp2 gt but no one wanted to deal in the slightest, lowest i got was about 47k with out taxes. so i placed an order for a camaro 1ss 1le, got 39k out the door. I'm not partial to the mustang or camaro but I'm not paying that kinda money for a car i wont see or know how...

did you use xplan to get that price, or is that it

what options did your gt have besides the performance pack and how many miles did it have. sorry for the questions just trying to gauge what I'll get for mine

awesome good to know i was hoping that was the case cause like you my 15 gtpp just sits in a garage, if you don't mind me asking what did they give you for it

question, did you order a car that you are waiting on and if so did they take your car, cause I'm gonna see about ordering a pp2 on friday but they'd not expected till spring so a few months so i think it be cool if the dealer took my car so i didn't have a payment for a few months but I'm not...

i have recaros in my 15 gtpp and i love them, i wonder what they'd charge to take out the leather seats for cloth recaros

pretty bummed just found out that they digital dash is only available in premium which i don't want. i hate leather and all the extra stuff idc about i just want the dash

I'm hoping thats the case, im going to my dealer next friday

it really is a hassle, and sucks because i am more partial to the mustang, even if it didn't compare to the 1le on the track and cost the same id still go for it but not they start tacking extra crap to the price. made an appointment with the guy i used to get my 15, he did real good with that...

see that's what's gonna kill this car for me, im not brand loyal have had both camaros and mustangs, i happen to like mustangs more but, i wanna trade in my 15 gt but if they're tacking extra onto the car plus charging msrp you really cant make an argument that the 1le isnt the choice to go with

i could do that to my 15 gtpp the point would be the magnaride and new dash and interior

not believing it just simply stating a 1le would be in my future of thats the case

says it in the last paragraph of the article

i sure hope so, unfortunately I'm one of those people that keep cars 2 or 3 years and I'm itching for a new one and this seems to offer all i could want

ya that's exactly what im afraid of, kinda sad ford will let dealers get away with that stuff