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[Kbreese]

I'm confused here, in an earlier post you said this was a 93 tune vs e85 tune. Now its stock to e85 with only a 17 hp difference? Where is this 430 you speak of?

I'm with you, I'm totally confused on the graphs posted and the numbers being stated. It all seems like Tom-foolery and creative accounting.

Like you, I only see a 17rwhp going from bone stock to an E85 tune.

Also, as others have mentioned I don't understand how the stock injectors are fine. They might be very close to being maxed out. There should be a cushion there.

And finally, with regard to components/gaskets etc being able to hold up to the E85, that would probably be a question for Ford. Livernois says they tested it but for how long? It doesn't matter if everything was fine for a matter of weeks or months. What matters is 2, 5, 10 years down the road. Tuners often like to forget about that ;)

Not trying to be a hater or a troll, just expressing real concerns. Honestly, I think this is an awesome innovation. Just not so sure the picture is as rosy as it's being painted.

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[Livernois Motorsports]

So no fuel system mods are needed whatsoever? Just plug n play?

There are no fuel modifications done tp the vehicle whatsoever.

Not trying to answer for Livernois, but yes, you are correct. No fuel mods are needed per Livernois.

Thanks for jumping in I appreciate it! :cheers:

Very cool idea, but I had a,few,questions...

Previous 11-14 cars switched to 47lb injectors when switching to E85 due to the nature of E85 requiring 30% more volume. How is this accomplished using the stock injectors? What is the max HP that the stock injectors will support using E85?

Do you think there is a possibility of expanding this tuning capability and providing similar tunes for FI cars? I would think that would be huge!

Thanks for any info and again nice work!

The delta in volume between pump gas and E85 is actually 40% lower volume w/E85. Just for accuracy, not being a jerk. This is accomplished in our proprietary tuning, and a few things that we have access to with it. We have not met the limitation of that fueling as of yet. The S197 cars are different in several ways from an engineering standpoint. Very few of the "core parts" from the platform were carried over. This includes many of the parts of the fueling system. It was almost completely re-engineered. Similarly to how the valvetrain was redone for the S550. These revisions are why injectors are not necessary in the S550.

We will not offer this for the TDI platform as they already suffer from fuel starvation on regular pump fuel. The dual fuel pump setup in that line cannot keep up with that lower volume. The HPFP at the back side of the motor is operated by the last lobe of the camshaft. The meter that reads the last lobe cannot read fast enough for the platform to run on E85. We are working on an actual permanent solution for this, but even the new Ford GT does not actually fix this. I cannot go into detail, but let's just say that the way that it is addressed is not a fix, but a patch.

 

[solshinobi]

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[mustang_guy]

There are no fuel modifications done tp the vehicle whatsoever.



Thanks for jumping in I appreciate it! :cheers:



The delta in volume between pump gas and E85 is actually 40% lower volume w/E85. Just for accuracy, not being a jerk. This is accomplished in our proprietary tuning, and a few things that we have access to with it. We have not met the limitation of that fueling as of yet. The S197 cars are different in several ways from an engineering standpoint. Very few of the "core parts" from the platform were carried over. This includes many of the parts of the fueling system. It was almost completely re-engineered. Similarly to how the valvetrain was redone for the S550. These revisions are why injectors are not necessary in the S550.

We will not offer this for the TDI platform as they already suffer from fuel starvation on regular pump fuel. The dual fuel pump setup in that line cannot keep up with that lower volume. The HPFP at the back side of the motor is operated by the last lobe of the camshaft. The meter that reads the last lobe cannot read fast enough for the platform to run on E85. We are working on an actual permanent solution for this, but even the new Ford GT does not actually fix this. I cannot go into detail, but let's just say that the way that it is addressed is not a fix, but a patch.

Im pretty sure hes not talking the ecoboost mustang. Hes talking about a gt with a supercharger or turbos added.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

If that is the case, yes. We will be adding support for that as well. We are testing that right now. When we are done testing we will release all of those results as well.

 

[BEASTS550]

If that is the case, yes. We will be adding support for that as well. We are testing that right now. When we are done testing we will release all of those results as well.

Don't suppose you have any testing with E85 on MAK's cat deletes? Very interested to see how they perform in comparison to your catless LT header tunes...something tells me this might be the quickest/least invasive way to 430ish rwhp

 

[Need4Speed15]

The delta in volume between pump gas and E85 is actually 40% lower volume w/E85. Just for accuracy, not being a jerk.

This is confusing...can you explain this a little further? I know people running E85 and they are getting 10-12 mpg (or 30% less then gas). So how can E85 require less volume when it in fact uses more fuel? I was always told you will use 30% more E85 vs gas and that was the need for larger injectors. Your statement seems directly opposite unless I'm not understanding something here?

Didn't at all think you were "being a jerk", I'm just looking to understand and I'm sure others are as well.

And yes I was additionally asking about support for Forced Induction GT's...seems like that would be a great target market.

 

[Kbreese]

This is confusing...can you explain this a little further? I know people running E85 and they are getting 10-12 mpg (or 30% less then gas). So how can E85 require less volume when it in fact uses more fuel? I was always told you will use 30% more E85 vs gas and that was the need for larger injectors. Your statement seems directly opposite unless I'm not understanding something here?

Didn't at all think you were "being a jerk", I'm just looking to understand and I'm sure others are as well.

And yes I was additionally asking about support for Forced Induction GT's...seems like that would be a great target market.

Cuz secret proprietary tuning.

Magic

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

So how can E85 require less volume when it in fact uses more fuel? I was always told you will use 30% more E85 vs gas and that was the need for larger injectors. Your statement seems directly opposite unless I'm not understanding something here?

It is directly contradictory. We do not have a need for larger injectors. The compensation for the lack of volume is done entirely VIA cour calibration. You are correct in the fact that efficiency will fall through the floor. If you figure that most Coyote guys get ~19-20MPG getting ~12MPG on E85 is right about 40% less. If you are basing your statement about E85 from info you got on earlier platform like the SN95 or S197 it is dated. There were major differences in the platform when the move to the S550.

And yes I was additionally asking about support for Forced Induction GT's...seems like that would be a great target market.

Sorry for the confusion, it is always something that the TDI guys ask about. But it is something that we will be doing a little later on.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Cuz secret proprietary tuning.

Magic

It is #magic lol

 

[Need4Speed15]

It is directly contradictory. We do not have a need for larger injectors. The compensation for the lack of volume is done entirely VIA cour calibration. You are correct in the fact that efficiency will fall through the floor. If you figure that most Coyote guys get ~19-20MPG getting ~12MPG on E85 is right about 40% less. If you are basing your statement about E85 from info you got on earlier platform like the SN95 or S197 it is dated. There were major differences in the platform when the move to the S550.



Sorry for the confusion, it is always something that the TDI guys ask about. But it is something that we will be doing a little later on.

Interesting, thanks for the response and info.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

For sure man. No problem

 

[Lobo]

I need to get this tune really soon!

 

[350sexZ]

Well looks like I need to get this revision. Is there a special thing I ask for or just put e85? On my revision request. @livernoismotorsports

 

[Lonmon]

I am curious if this tune will extract more power from any fuel upgrade, or just e85. I have a shelf of torco that I would love to see better gains from then with my 93 Lund tune. Greg from Lund said that their tune would add timing if there was no knock present when I asked about an update for using torco but I saw virtually no gain on the dyno. I would love to see a tune that would work for 93 - 110 octane without reflashing and still get the maximum benefit out of the octane. I know Lund could give me a tune that would work better with an exact torco mix everytime and datalogging sent in to get it just right, but this kind of tune would be heavenly if it really works!

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