GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

Those new Camaros should run pretty good IMO, I'd expect some mid 12s@1/4 at 113++

Uuuuuugly though, and can't express that enough, UGLY

If Drag Racing was my priority, I would go back to the S197. It looks better, has a huge aftermarket and the solid axle just can't be beat.

The S197 will go down in history as the last great drag car... but I have a feeling it will be around longer than the Fox was (and still is).

We still don't know the full extent of an additional shift in the 1/4 by the 2016 Camaro. The previous Camaro could trap in 3rd, the new car will require you to shift into 4th.

There could be a trap dilemma like the 2011 GT's had. Either ride out the quarter and maybe redline 4th OR, be an idiot and shift into 5th about 100-200 feet from the trap. I'm not gonna lie, sometimes I'd want to shift automatically because it's so ingrained into me. The engine sound makes me wanna shift...

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[garagelogic]

Those new Camaros should run pretty good IMO, I'd expect some mid 12s@1/4 at 113++

Uuuuuugly though, and can't express that enough, UGLY

No, that can't be right! Camaro faithful are saying LOW 12's from the new car and, more than likely, 11's on hero runs. On stock tires, no less! :lol:

I'm with you, mid-12's is what your likely to see in stock form in the instrumented tests.

 

[Fox5.0]

No, that can't be right! Camaro faithful are saying LOW 12's from the new car and, more than likely, 11's on hero runs. On stock tires, no less! :lol:

I'm with you, mid-12's is what your likely to see in stock form in the instrumented tests.

Read one post where someone said 11.4 for a 1/4. Lol a camaro faster than a corvette :headbonk:

 

[thePill]

Randy drove the z28 and C7 Z51 back to back. I hope they release the results, I want to see how Camaro fans react.

The Z51 and z28's performance has always been concealed from each other. It was deemed early on at Nurburgring that the C7 Z51 was a z28 contender for roughly $15,000 less.

This is their new approach to product cannibalism... just keep them separated from the media...

No excuses now gentleman, Ford has all the elements combined to fill your fantasy scenario.

All the competition, Laguna Seca, Same day and your specific driver of choice. No excuses...

Watch them turn on Randy...

 

[Trackaholic]

Randy drove the z28 and C7 Z51 back to back. I hope they release the results, I want to see how Camaro fans react.

The Z51 and z28's performance has always been concealed from each other. It was deemed early on at Nurburgring that the C7 Z51 was a z28 contender for roughly $15,000 less.

This is their new approach to product cannibalism... just keep them separated from the media...

No excuses now gentleman, Ford has all the elements combined to fill your fantasy scenario.

All the competition, Laguna Seca, Same day and your specific driver of choice. No excuses...

Watch them turn on Randy...

From what I have heard, some say the Z/28 is a better track car than the Z51. I wouldn't be surprised actually, given that it is a more purposeful design. Even though the speeds may be similar, I had heard that the Z/28 was preferred.

Ford has said that the GT350 is similar in speed to the Z51, and the GT350R is faster than that (about equivalent to a 911 GT3), and faster than the Z/28 . I don't remember their exact words, but the implication was that the Z/28 was somewhat faster than the GT350/Z51 pair but quite a bit slower than the GT350R/GT3 pair.

It will be interesting to see if we see a "monster" comparison, pitting the GT350 and GT350R against the M4, Z/28, Z51, and 911 GT3.

What I really want is a nice video of all those cars on the same track at roughly the same time. Then I would just play it with the sound only, over and over (editing out the M4 of course). ;-)

-T

 

[licktensteins]

From what I have heard, some say the Z/28 is a better track car than the Z51. I wouldn't be surprised actually, given that it is a more purposeful design. Even though the speeds may be similar, I had heard that the Z/28 was preferred.

Ford has said that the GT350 is similar in speed to the Z51, and the GT350R is faster than that (about equivalent to a 911 GT3), and faster than the Z/28 . I don't remember their exact words, but the implication was that the Z/28 was somewhat faster than the GT350/Z51 pair but quite a bit slower than the GT350R/GT3 pair.

It will be interesting to see if we see a "monster" comparison, pitting the GT350 and GT350R against the M4, Z/28, Z51, and 911 GT3.

What I really want is a nice video of all those cars on the same track at roughly the same time. Then I would just play it with the sound only, over and over (editing out the M4 of course). ;-)

-T

:cheers: nicely played, sir.

I took a stroll through the money saving mile again this weekend, and the Chevy dealer had 2 Z/28's locked up in the showroom. It was Sunday evening so the helium in the balloons tied to the side mirrors had given up the ghost, leaving the balloons rolling around on the floor next to the car with the breeze from the showroom HVAC. It was as if the balloon was rolling around trying to get away from the car.

 

[thePill]

:cheers: nicely played, sir.

I took a stroll through the money saving mile again this weekend, and the Chevy dealer had 2 Z/28's locked up in the showroom. It was Sunday evening so the helium in the balloons tied to the side mirrors had given up the ghost, leaving the balloons rolling around on the floor next to the car with the breeze from the showroom HVAC. It was as if the balloon was rolling around trying to get away from the car.

Are you a writeR?

 

[licktensteins]

Are you a writeR?

Aren't we all writers on here in one way or another?

If you're asking if I write for a paycheck, absolutely not.

 

[speedracermustangfan]

There is a red z28 at autonation chevrolet in Austin that has been sitting outside for 3 months now. Braving the elements, it would probably need a jump start if somebody wanted to test drive. That car was a big mistake. I generally don't like chevrolet or gm, but the idea of an LS7 powered z28 did get my attention at first. If it was 45k, I would have strongly considered it. As soon as the 70k+ price came out I lost interest very quickly.

 

[thePill]

From what I have heard, some say the Z/28 is a better track car than the Z51. I wouldn't be surprised actually, given that it is a more purposeful design. Even though the speeds may be similar, I had heard that the Z/28 was preferred.

Ford has said that the GT350 is similar in speed to the Z51, and the GT350R is faster than that (about equivalent to a 911 GT3), and faster than the Z/28 . I don't remember their exact words, but the implication was that the Z/28 was somewhat faster than the GT350/Z51 pair but quite a bit slower than the GT350R/GT3 pair.

It will be interesting to see if we see a "monster" comparison, pitting the GT350 and GT350R against the M4, Z/28, Z51, and 911 GT3.

What I really want is a nice video of all those cars on the same track at roughly the same time. Then I would just play it with the sound only, over and over (editing out the M4 of course). ;-)

-T

The issue with some of the z28 test are brake temps. As the season comes to an end, we've noticed something in SCCA GTS. The z28.R in GTS is permitted to use the OEM brakes. What we see is, the Carbon Ceramic Brakes do not get nearly enough heat in Qualifying. Sure, poor qualifying does hinder the potential end results in competitive racing BUT, in a magazine comparison, where only 3 or 4 laps are done, the brakes usually are not operating at their full potential.

Ultimately, what this will do is, it will tighten the gap between C7 Z51 and z28 in these little 2-3 lap pop shots. The Lightning Lap cars get only 15 laps per car, that amount of effort would show the CCB's true potential...

I can't be sure if Randy will be driving for Motor Trend or not. Randy also hinted that he is not only testing the GT350, he is also testing the Focus RS and Raptor for Ford Performance soon... I know many are not sure of Ford and Randy's relationship BUT, it goes beyond the media event.

The cars he drove in the comparison (not shown) were missing hood stripes. They were clearly test cars and not intended for media. At least I think they didn't... It's been a long week and I've seen a lot of cars the last few days.

 

[Trackaholic]

The issue with some of the z28 test are brake temps. As the season comes to an end, we've noticed something in SCCA GTS. The z28.R in GTS is permitted to use the OEM brakes. What we see is, the Carbon Ceramic Brakes do not get nearly enough heat in Qualifying. Sure, poor qualifying does hinder the potential end results in competitive racing BUT, in a magazine comparison, where only 3 or 4 laps are done, the brakes usually are not operating at their full potential.

Ultimately, what this will do is, it will tighten the gap between C7 Z51 and z28 in these little 2-3 lap pop shots. The Lightning Lap cars get only 15 laps per car, that amount of effort would show the CCB's true potential...

I can't be sure if Randy will be driving for Motor Trend or not. Randy also hinted that he is not only testing the GT350, he is also testing the Focus RS and Raptor for Ford Performance soon... I know many are not sure of Ford and Randy's relationship BUT, it goes beyond the media event.

The cars he drove in the comparison (not shown) were missing hood stripes. They were clearly test cars and not intended for media. At least I think they didn't... It's been a long week and I've seen a lot of cars the last few days.

I've heard only good things about the Z/28 brakes, even on short stints. However I have read many bad things about the Z51 brakes on long stints (on the vette forums). I wouldn't be surprised if extended lapping lead to differences in braking performance between the two, but I think the reason would be due to degradation of the Z51 performance rather then improvements in Z/28 performance.

On another note, Mr. Pobst just posted a review of all 4 generations of Miata Cup Cars on MT. In it he mentioned driving the ND in Best Drivers Car. I wonder if the GT350 was available in time. As we might recall, the Z/28 won last years event, beating out many mighty vehicles.

-T

 

[Sturmler]

There is a red z28 at autonation chevrolet in Austin that has been sitting outside for 3 months now. Braving the elements, it would probably need a jump start if somebody wanted to test drive. That car was a big mistake. I generally don't like chevrolet or gm, but the idea of an LS7 powered z28 did get my attention at first. If it was 45k, I would have strongly considered it. As soon as the 70k+ price came out I lost interest very quickly.

That wasn't meant to sell actually. It was just meant to show what the car was capable of.

Let's be serious: How many 1LE / Z28 Camaros were sold? How many Laguna Seca Mustangs were sold?
Then compare to the amount of Camaros and Mustangs sold.

Lotta talks about performance, trackability, is the 1LE stronger? Is the whatever weaker?

2017 Z28 (if happens), Mustang GT350R ... they will not sell massive amounts of these cars .... it's just advertising cars for track people and forum wars.

In real life, a ridiculous minority of buyers track and a ridiculous amount of buyers tracking do it with enough skills to make a real difference.

These cars won't sell, because they are created to make people talk, not drive.

 

[speedracermustangfan]

That wasn't meant to sell actually. It was just meant to show what the car was capable of.

Let's be serious: How many 1LE / Z28 Camaros were sold? How many Laguna Seca Mustangs were sold?
Then compare to the amount of Camaros and Mustangs sold.

Lotta talks about performance, trackability, is the 1LE stronger? Is the whatever weaker?

2017 Z28 (if happens), Mustang GT350R ... they will not sell massive amounts of these cars .... it's just advertising cars for track people and forum wars.

In real life, a ridiculous minority of buyers track and a ridiculous amount of buyers tracking do it with enough skills to make a real difference.

These cars won't sell, because they are created to make people talk, not drive.

Sure, but that price tag made the car unobtainable to many of the pony car audience. It was a great bound for the segment and likely spurred more competition which is great. Though, today the competition undercuts the z28 price by a good marigin. They should have offered a lower entry level/base option that also included the ls7. 500hp+ from the showroom for less than 50k has only just now become a reality. When chevrolet most likely could have ditched the brakes, tires/wheels, among other things to bring the base model under 50k. Talk about bragging rights...now ford has stolen that thunder and has most likely caused chevrolet to revise their strategy with the next model.

And as long as we're being serious...If chevy didn't intend for the z28 to sell, surely they didn't intend for the z28 to collect dust, rain water, and heavy discounts after sitting on the lots for several months. I highly doubt you will see any gt350s suffering that same fate. Food for thought.

 

[garagelogic]

That wasn't meant to sell actually. It was just meant to show what the car was capable of.

Let's be serious: How many 1LE / Z28 Camaros were sold? How many Laguna Seca Mustangs were sold?
Then compare to the amount of Camaros and Mustangs sold.

Lotta talks about performance, trackability, is the 1LE stronger? Is the whatever weaker?

2017 Z28 (if happens), Mustang GT350R ... they will not sell massive amounts of these cars .... it's just advertising cars for track people and forum wars.

In real life, a ridiculous minority of buyers track and a ridiculous amount of buyers tracking do it with enough skills to make a real difference.

These cars won't sell, because they are created to make people talk, not drive.

Ford sold every Laguna Seca Boss 302 they made. As it stands right now, there is a waiting list a mile long for people seeking to buy a GT350R, so I'm going to take a stab and say they will sell as many as they make. GM has twice offered the z/28 at a discount and they STILL can't move them.

 

[68fbjjz109]

That wasn't meant to sell actually. It was just meant to show what the car was capable of.

Let's be serious: How many 1LE / Z28 Camaros were sold? How many Laguna Seca Mustangs were sold?
Then compare to the amount of Camaros and Mustangs sold.

Lotta talks about performance, trackability, is the 1LE stronger? Is the whatever weaker?

2017 Z28 (if happens), Mustang GT350R ... they will not sell massive amounts of these cars .... it's just advertising cars for track people and forum wars.

In real life, a ridiculous minority of buyers track and a ridiculous amount of buyers tracking do it with enough skills to make a real difference.

These cars won't sell, because they are created to make people talk, not drive.

Everything you said, Dave Peraek refuted on Autoline. In terms of the studies they did. Shit Ford built more Raptors than Honda sold rigdelines.

Every Performance variant Ford has launched in the last 5 years has done very well in terms of sales. There are so many ST Focus and Fiestas at SCCA events it's almost annoying.

People want well sorted performance cars. The Z28 is just a different case, I would prob go for a C6 Z06 for that price.

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