My number came up on the waiting list... but ADM

[Trackaholic]

Only in the Automotive dealership model do you get a highest willing buyer served first over the first person to make a call or show up at their door.

Not true at all. The housing market is totally driven by whoever pays the most (or who makes a personal connection with the buyer).

-T

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[Wblv17]

Talked with my dealer today, they are only getting a GT350R (shocked) they will want at least 15K over but may take 10 over. Now I just got first on their list if they get a GT350 allocation in 16 or 17. I can't afford a R

 

[chopsui]

Not true at all. The housing market is totally driven by whoever pays the most (or who makes a personal connection with the buyer).

-T

Well, Housing market is not a new retail market, unless you're buying new from a planned community, in which case it's usually first come first served.

 

[Cruzinaround]

^That's how I bought my homes..... They were designed and built to my specifications.

New.

The same way I want a GT 350.

New.

I did not have bid on the home. I searched for the best reputation for a builder and I scheduled an appointment to have a home built on property that met my requirements.

As far as dealers go..... absolutely not the same.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Henry Ford has been dead for 68 years. Whatever kind of person he was has ZERO bearing on what Ford Motor Company does today.

The best thing Ford did while he was alive was to sell off the Cadillac Division to GM so they could get to where they are now and provide a better platform to place their Camaros on. So the next gen Camaro has FORD to thank.:lol:

 

[SVTFreak]

Not true at all. The housing market is totally driven by whoever pays the most (or who makes a personal connection with the buyer).



-T

Pretty much all luxury items are sold based on dans forcing up price. Art? Jewelry? Ever hear of a site called eBay? All based on driving up price due to demand. Cars are no different. If joe blow has the money to pay more than you to get what he wants faster, you're shit out of luck unless you put in work to find a better dealer or spend years building that relationship.

Get over it. Best advice I got for ADM's.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Pretty much all luxury items are sold based on dans forcing up price. Art? Jewelry? Ever hear of a site called eBay? All based on driving up price due to demand. Cars are no different. If joe blow has the money to pay more than you to get what he wants faster, you're shit out of luck unless you put in work to find a better dealer or spend years building that relationship.

Get over it. Best advice I got for ADM's.

You need to make a distinction between the resale and the retail markets.

eBay is a resale market where you go to bid on someone's stuff.

A retailer is where you go to buy your new stuff.

When you tire of your new stuff or feel like being a sleazy seller you can sell it on eBay as your stuff.


In resale .... Subjective pricing can apply and of course all points readily defended and argued from both sides.

But the new stuff that is mass produced or built to order.....get this.... has a list price or advertised price or MAP price or MSRP that we pay. Unless you go to a Auto Stealership...Ummm I meant dealership. Where they may ask for more subjectively on an item they don't really own.

 

[ElSanchez302]

You need to make a distinction between the resale and the retail markets.

eBay is a resale market where you go to bid on someone's stuff.

A retailer is where you go to buy your new stuff.

When you tire of your new stuff or feel like being a sleazy seller you can sell it on eBay as your stuff.


In resale .... Subjective pricing can apply and of course all points readily defended and argued from both sides.

But the new stuff that is mass produced or built to order.....get this.... has a list price or advertised price or MAP price or MSRP that we pay. Unless you go to a Auto Stealership...Ummm I meant dealership. Where they may ask for more subjectively on an item they don't really own.

New stuff is sold on Ebay, not sure you knew that. Including cars. Including over sticker. Not sure where you're getting your logic? GT350 is not mass produced in comparison to standard production Mustang.

Supply vs Demand on any luxury item. Why is this so difficult for some here to understand? :shrug:

 

[ElSanchez302]

Pretty much all luxury items are sold based on dans forcing up price. Art? Jewelry? Ever hear of a site called eBay? All based on driving up price due to demand. Cars are no different. If joe blow has the money to pay more than you to get what he wants faster, you're shit out of luck unless you put in work to find a better dealer or spend years building that relationship.

Get over it. Best advice I got for ADM's.

Bingo!

And this is why I unforutnately can't get one. Don't have the extra funds. :( Sucks for me, good for the guy that can afford it.

 

[Blk2015GT]

New stuff is sold on Ebay, not sure you knew that. Including cars. Including over sticker. Not sure where you're getting your logic? GT350 is not mass produced in comparison to standard production Mustang.

Supply vs Demand on any luxury item. Why is this so difficult for some here to understand? :shrug:

This. Ebay is not all used 2nd hand items as people think. I've bought the majority of my purchases from ebay as new items in fact.

People love to say "stealership" and "ban ADMs" etc but then you tell them ok then, go build your own factory on GT350 and oh wait......you can't! Pay to play with a limited run item.

 

[Trackaholic]

But the new stuff that is mass produced or built to order.....get this.... has a list price or advertised price or MAP price or MSRP that we pay.

The jury is still out on exactly how "mass produced" the GT350 (and GT350R) will be.

Ford did quite a bit of work to keep the price down, which to me implies that the regular GT350 will eventually be much more readily available. Therefore, the ADM will most likely be temporary and will apply initially while demand is high and supply is low (when the GT350 is in no way "mass produced"). So, according to your own logic, you should totally expect to see ADM right now.

In a year, assuming Ford is really building the GT350 as they have implied, then I would expect to see ADM go away.

Would be very frustrating to see Ford cut corners on the design to keep the prices low, only to end up not building many and having dealers jack up the price anyway.

I am therefore not surprised to see ADM now, nor will I be surprised to see it go away later.

I do think there will always be ADM on the "R".

-T

 

[Cruzinaround]

New stuff is sold on Ebay, not sure you knew that. Including cars. Including over sticker. Not sure where you're getting your logic? GT350 is not mass produced in comparison to standard production Mustang.

Supply vs Demand on any luxury item. Why is this so difficult for some here to understand? :shrug:

If its sold on eBay as new then its either listed as on online store with a link to it or as an owned item never used as in those GT350's being posted with no VIN's.

Pretty sure you knew this though.


The GT350 at MSRP is not an out of reach unattainable car.

But once you slap an ADM on it..... it is now in a category where there are a vast amount of other options. Non Ford options.

 

[Spa2k]

The rules for Ebay do not allow some of what's been going on, and Ebay intends to stop it. See this quickly closed thread for details: http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26199.

Here's the bottom line: It's a violation of Ebay Motors policy for a private seller to advertise a vehicle he or she does not own, and "selling a place in line" for a vehicle that hasn't yet been built and delivered to that person is not acceptable. However, franchised dealers of a make may offer for sale on Ebay a vehicle that is ordered but not yet delivered. Your clue as to whether or not a dealer listing is legitimate should be the inclusion of a real VIN in the Ebay listing.

If you see bogus private seller Ebay listing, click on Report Item on the right side of the listing and send in a complaint. Ebay Motors says it is serious about not allowing this type of listing on the site, but it sometimes needs the help of users to catch the inappropriate ones.

 

[Cruzinaround]

....... private seller to advertise a vehicle he or she does not own, and "selling a place in line" for a vehicle that hasn't yet been built and delivered to that person is not acceptable. ....

Funny How this sounds just like what many dealerships do already

However, franchised dealers of a make may offer for sale on Ebay a vehicle that is ordered but not yet delivered.

Again Odd how a franchise can advertise for a vehicle they do not own and a a private seller cannot....what if they have a DORA with a build number.... VIN or no VIN???? In any case ..The Internet has effectively extended the reach of any single dealership of any make to practice the things that gained them their sleazeball reputation in the first place.

 

[Spa2k]

Funny How this sounds just like what many dealerships do already

If it's a franchised dealer, that's acceptable. If it's a private seller, it's not. How hard is that to understand?

Again Odd how a franchise can advertise for a vehicle they do not own and a a private seller cannot....what if they have a DORA with a build number.... VIN or no VIN???? In any case ..The Internet has effectively extended the reach of any single dealership of any make to practice the things that gained them their sleazeball reputation in the first place.

There's nothing odd about it. The process is the process and the rules are the rules, whether or not you believe or accept them.

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