GT350 vs. Z/28

[thePill]

It's not misinformation... We were very pleased with our first '15 scale. It was 2lbs lighter than my 2011. I can't recall a Non-Performance Pack Base GT ever being tested or, a stock car ever showing up to an event.

Terry has also witnessed this very thing.

The original belief was, the 2015 GT's were 82lbs heavier than last years. It in fact is not... It is within 30lbs.

I am not willing to compare a Base GT from 2011 to a Base GT today. The equipment weight is a wash.

I was under the impression there was a Performance Pack/Brembo in 2014 that offered 15" rotors. I wouldn't compare a 2014 Brembo to an '11 either.

Sorry fella's, the scales do not lie. We were very happy...

If the standard equipment on a '15 wasn't either identical or heavier than previous packages, I would say add in the options.

I don't understand why the GT needs the additional weight that wasn't availible before. I surely wouldn't use the Premium just because of the stereo and seats. The PP is far heavier than the Brembo (which is standard but heavier now).

These two packages add nearly $16,000 (as tested and verified, w/options) to the 2011's $29,990. I don't understand why I would need to deal with the extra weight and cost.

A Premium Brembo GT was $35,000, this year car is $33,000. Both are within 30lbs of each others race weight.

Recaro's will save another 10-12lbs from those 3570-3590lbs S550's. I can find a far lighter seat.

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[DivineStrike]

The pill, your lack of knowledge of simple packaging of these cars pretty much makes anything you say misinformation.

As another put it, you are not comparing apples to apples.

The 15 isn't lighter than your car...the scales aren't lying. They are proving you wrong and you are intentionally twisting information to fool people who don't know any better.

 

[thePill]

So... The standard equipment on the 2015 isn't heavier? That isn't correct... The front and rear brakes are larger and heavier. The 18's are only 1lbs lighter than the Brembo's on the '11. The Premium '11 and 2015 have the a similar speaker set up. I am not adding 3-6 speakers and amp, 15 inch brakes and 60/65lbs wheels/tires to my car. I honestly can do without the insanely comfy seats.

I am sorry, you are wrong. The very first 2015 GT we weighed was 3577lbs. That was 2lbs lighter than my 2011 GT. The standard equipment on the GT in '15 is about the same weight wise.

We were very happy, as was Terry and a handful of other shops that have weighed S197's and now these.

There will not be a 2015 GTPP under 3700lbs. I would not option a Performance Pack or Premium this year. The Premium is a much heavier option as well as the PP. The 15" rotors severely limit our wheel choices and isn't worth the combine wheel/tire/rotor weight. It is nice for track days but not a serious attempt at competition.

In real life, they are very close.

Trust me, what Terry was excited about is the same thing I was excited about in November. In no way, shape or form would we ever consider a Non-Brembo/PP S197 as benchmark. A Premium Brembo has always been used at 3620lbs. They are rarely that lightweight...

...and I understand your arguement too. If I were merely looking at package names then yeah, it makes sense both should have those boxes checked. But don't be unrealistic. I don't want to add the extra content in just to satisfy your weight requirements. I can see base GT's being 3705lbs, it just isn't 82lbs heavier than an equally equipped S197...

In my case, the 2015 was 2lbs lighter. And that is where our joy came from, as well as Vorshlag's.

The diet plan is almost identical in the S197 and S550. However, when we get down into the airbags, drivetrain and removel, the S550 may end up being lighter. The airbag removal is nice this year.

 

[Stuntman]

So... The standard equipment on the 2015 isn't heavier? That isn't correct... The front and rear brakes are larger and heavier. The 18's are only 1lbs lighter than the Brembo's on the '11. The Premium '11 and 2015 have the a similar speaker set up. I am not adding 3-6 speakers and amp, 15 inch brakes and 60/65lbs wheels/tires to my car.

I am sorry, you are wrong. The very first 2015 GT we weighed was 3577lbs. That was 2lbs lighter than my 2011 GT. The standard equipment on the GT in '15 is about the same weight wise.

We were very happy, as was Terry and a handful of other shops that have weighed S197's and now these.

There will not be a 2015 GTPP under 3700lbs. I would not option a Performance Pack or Premium this year. The Premium is a much heavier option as well as the PP. The 15" rotors severely limit our wheel choices and isn't worth the combine wheel/tire/rotor weight. It is nice for track days but not a serious attempt at competition.

In real life, they are very close.

Who exactly is "we"? Where are you doing all of this weighing? Where are the pics?

Didn't you say that 3,577lb 2015 GT had no fuel and a lot of weight reduction?

 

[02gtnh]

It's not misinformation... We were very pleased with our first '15 scale. It was 2lbs lighter than my 2011. I can't recall a Non-Performance Pack Base GT ever being tested or, a stock car ever showing up to an event.

Terry has also witnessed this very thing.

The original belief was, the 2015 GT's were 82lbs heavier than last years. It in fact is not... It is within 30lbs.

I am not willing to compare a Base GT from 2011 to a Base GT today. The equipment weight is a wash.

I was under the impression there was a Performance Pack/Brembo in 2014 that offered 15" rotors. I wouldn't compare a 2014 Brembo to an '11 either.

Sorry fella's, the scales do not lie. We were very happy...

If the standard equipment on a '15 wasn't either identical or heavier than previous packages, I would say add in the options.

I don't understand why the GT needs the additional weight that wasn't availible before. I surely wouldn't use the Premium just because of the stereo and seats. The PP is far heavier than the Brembo (which is standard but heavier now).

These two packages add nearly $16,000 (as tested and verified, w/options) to the 2011's $29,990. I don't understand why I would need to deal with the extra weight and cost.

A Premium Brembo GT was $35,000, this year car is $33,000. Both are within 30lbs of each others race weight.

Recaro's will save another 10-12lbs from those 3570-3590lbs S550's. I can find a far lighter seat.

It's funny you say scales don't lie, yet you don't believe the scales we have showed. Yet you keep bringing up your mysterious lightest ever 2015 GT, but there has never been another to match your numbers. Then you have never shown one bit of proof. So how can anyone believe what you are saying. Show us any numbers that back your theory and I will gladly say you are right. Plus you can't compare a 11 premium weight to a 15 base weight to justify your 30lbs.

 

[DivineStrike]

I can tell you my personal 2011 Premium Brembo GT weighed 3555lbs with No washer fluid, no "trunk junk" and 50 miles to E or 1/4 tank. That would have made of GT slightly heavier than the first 2015 Base GT we weighed on 6 miles to E at 3577lbs.

Considering the 2015 GT's equipment trumped the '11 Premium. Also considering the '11's Performance Pack was trumped by the 2015 Base GT...

We seen a slight weight loss in the real world...

I'll Just leave this here.

Your mustang is 22lbs lighter with more fuel.

The standard 15 mustang had 6 speakers that's it, nothing fancy. And speakers only weigh about a pound or two.

You are assuming it is the equipment adding the weight, you have no supporting evidence for your claim. That is the very basis of misinformation.

 

[DivineStrike]

The pill up until these past two days you have never used the premium weight to support your wild theories.

You have always used a base gt

 

[thePill]

Who exactly is "we"? Where are you doing all of this weighing? Where are the pics?

Didn't you say that 3,577lb 2015 GT had no fuel and a lot of weight reduction?

Don't worry about that...

The 3577 was almost on empty, had no trunk liner or compressor or owners manual.

The pill up until these past two days you have never used the premium weight to support your wild theories.

You have always used a base gt

i only use what Ford reports, what magazines use and what people scale them. It is my only three sources for weights.

If you would have asked me the Curb weight of a 2011 GT I would have said 3622lbs. I would have never used the Base GT just because of the Performance of that model. It used 13/12 inch rotors, tiny 18x8's and no track equipment at all. Even Ford says 3622lbs over 3580lbs. Just a fair warning, they may also be using the same method this year.

I was happy because I seen a slight advantage in the 2015 Mustang first hand. It was a small loss but it was a loss none the less.

There is a shop on the state-line that says they have a sub-3560lbs 2015 with only the air pump removed.

Oh boy!!! I have a feeling they might get a tad lighter which would make a 3650lbs (on full) 2015 very, very likely.

 

[DivineStrike]

Ford isn't using any method...the base gt weighs 3700 lbs...It is proven, we have seen the scales

 

[DivineStrike]

Seriously pill stop twisting facts. Use one weight when talking about the car. The only weight that matters is with a full tank of gas...your smart enough...do the math. It's 6.3 lbs per gallon.

Also, you do not know where the weight is at on the base 15 gt, so stop spewing out your assumptions as fact. If you want to compare an a197 with Brembo brakes to the base gt. That is fine, as it is more accurate of a comparison. However comparing a premium to a base car is completely disingenuous. The s197premiums are well more equipped than a base 15 gt.

Yes the base gt has a few nice standard options, but they don't weigh much at all. I'm not saying the body in white weighs more but we just simply do not have the information to say the increased weight of the base s550 is all in the options.

We will have a much better idea once more components are weighed

 

[02gtnh]

Don't worry about that...

The 3577 was almost on empty, had no trunk liner or compressor or owners manual.

i only use what Ford reports, what magazines use and what people scale them. It is my only three sources for weights.

If you would have asked me the Curb weight of a 2011 GT I would have said 3622lbs. I would have never used the Base GT just because of the Performance of that model. It used 13/12 inch rotors, tiny 18x8's and no track equipment at all. Even Ford says 3622lbs over 3580lbs. Just a fair warning, they may also be using the same method this year.


I was happy because I seen a slight advantage in the 2015 Mustang first hand. It was a small loss but it was a loss none the less.

There is a shop on the state-line that says they have a sub-3560lbs 2015 with only the air pump removed.

Oh boy!!! I have a feeling they might get a tad lighter which would make a 3650lbs (on full) 2015 very, very likely.

So we show you a base non PP GT with no gas and all the junk out of the trunk on the scales showing a weight of 3593, yet you have the mindset to believe a rumor of a 3560 and put more trust in the rumor then the actual pictures. Your credibility just took a serious hit.

 

[traxiii]

In His mind, He believes the s550 base model is as or better equipped than a a197 premium

Isn't it? There isn't anything but leather the 2014 Premium GT came with that the 2015 Base GT doesn't come with already, and it adds at least the following: backup camera, Brembo Pack sized 14" front brakes and larger 13" rear brakes, 3 extra air bags, oil cooler, not to mention 15 more horsepower, improved shifter, independent rear suspension, 5 star crash rating. I'll bet the 3 extra air bags make for half the difference in weight all by themselves.

 

[traxiii]

All cars have engine oil coolers...

You are wrong, in the 2014 GT you had to order the Track Pack to get the engine oil cooler. The Premium GT without the TP did not have one.
If we are comparing Base 2015 to Premium 2014 GT's you have to figure it in as an added feature.

Straight from the 2014 Order Guide:
GT Track Package (Coupe with Manual Transmission only)

– Brembo™ Brake package content plus the following
– TORSEN® helical differential with 3.73:1 axle ratio
– Boss® 302 Radiator
– Engine oil cooler

 

[Stuntman]

That's insane. I think you're right on the oil cooler. Totally blown away...

 

[DivineStrike]

Isn't it? There isn't anything but leather the 2014 Premium GT came with that the 2015 Base GT doesn't come with already, and it adds at least the following: backup camera, Brembo Pack sized 14" front brakes and larger 13" rear brakes, 3 extra air bags, oil cooler, not to mention 15 more horsepower, improved shifter, independent rear suspension, 5 star crash rating. I'll bet the 3 extra air bags make for half the difference in weight all by themselves.

I agree for sure it's a better car, and he is comparing a premium with the brembo brake package. So brakes are even, except the rear brakes you're right they are bigger. I don't know how much airbags weigh. with exception to these most stuff should be a wash. but how much does all this really weigh?

a 11 gt Brembo package weighs about 3590ish lbs. A premium with the package weighs about 70lbs more. There is a bit of weight in that premium package.

Back up camera shouldn't weigh too much.

we know about all the nice chassis upgrades this car got. ThePill is talking about optional equipment he wouldn't get on his car.

I am trying to get across most of the weight increase isn't' in just interior upgrades but more so in the upgrades in the chassis to include the things you mentioned.

The comparison between the premium and base 15....maybe it is a little better of a comparison, but to me it just doesn't' make sense to do it. Perhaps I'm just tired of thePill changing his story and back pedaling when weights don't come out to what he wanted.

He constantly argued that the base 15 gt would be well under the 3705lbs Ford Curb weight, and it has been proven Fords curb weight is accurate. He is trying to use this Premium comparison to circle back to trying to convince the unknowing that the base gt weighs much less than 3705 and that the Ford Curb weight is with options. It's just not true.

It is very possible a stripped down 15 will be lighter than a stripped down 14, but most of this conversation has been about OEM curb weight and he just keeps adjusting his story to make himself look like he's been right the entire time.

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