GT350 vs. Z/28

[DivineStrike]

Dude, the Premium this year has a 9/12 speaker system, 6 way, heated/cooled Electric seats... and a lot of other things a 2011 Premium didn't have. The Base GT already comes with that equipment STOCK.

I DO NOT care about a larger stereo system and those fancy seats...

I'm not using dishonest numbers, Im just not adding in additional content to support your arguement.

There was only 30lbs between a 2011 and 2015 and the '15 is far more equipped. I know it your point exist, Im just not realistically concerned about sub woofers and amplifiers... Heated and cooled seats...

Lol then here you go, again...these are your curb weights to compare with full fuel and NO WEIGHT reduction Please don't make me add the pictures that prove this.


Facts:

2011 Base GT no options Full fuel weight: 3560lbs
2015 Base GT no options full fuel weight: 3705lbs ish (+/- a few lbs)

A 2011 base GT with brembo brakes weighs around 3590ish if you want to compare with equal brakes.

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[thePill]

Lol then here you go, again...these are your curb weights to compare with full fuel and NO WEIGHT reduction Please don't make me add the pictures that prove this.


Facts:

2011 Base GT no options Full fuel weight: 3560lbs
2015 Base GT no options full fuel weight: 3705lbs ish (+/- a few lbs)

A 2011 base GT with brembo brakes weighs around 3590ish if you want to compare with equal brakes.

I am not adding in Premium weight, there was only 30lbs between the '11 and '15. We know that there are instances they are a wash.


I do not care about the Premium weight gain this year. The standard GT has better Standard equipment than a Premium S197.

Curb weights don not tell the real story, scales tell the story.

2011 Brembo Premium GT- 3563lbs
2015 GT- 3593lbs.

The 2015 comes with far superior (and heavier) luxury and performance equipment. The Base price of a 2011 Brembo GT Premium was $36,000, the 2015 Base GT is $33,000. This is another bonus.

 

[DivineStrike]

I am not adding in Premium weight, there was only 30lbs between the '11 and '15. We know that there are instances they are a wash.


I do not care about the Premium weight gain this year. The standard GT has better Standard equipment than a Premium S197.

I did not give you any premium weights. they are all base weights with cloth seats no options.

2015 cloth seats weigh 50lbs each, less than the 2014 cloth seats if i remember correctly they weighed 52lbs.

 

[thePill]

I did not give you any premium weights. they are all base weights with cloth seats no options.

2015 cloth seats weigh 50lbs each, less than the 2014 cloth seats if i remember correctly they weighed 52lbs.

The first GT we got our hands on was a Base GT, I believe it was 3577lbs. We still haven't weighed a Performance Pack or Premium 2015. I don't think anyone that truly intends on racing is going to opt for a PP or Premium. Terry is stripping his only because he had to settle for it.

The sheer amount of content a Preium has this year is huge compared to 2010-2014. The Performance Pack is also a big (and heavy step up). Both have 6 Speaker systems, seats are equal... The 14" rotors are standard, the rear rotors are larger, the wheel and tire weights are almost the same. The previous Premium equipment is standard now.

The only thing that concerns us it the starting point. The 2015 has all the 2011-2014 Performance Pack/Premium equipment standard. Why on Earth would I add in more weight, especially after seeing the 125lbs gap.

Might as well be a Convertible...

Did you know that Tri-Yellow is 8-10lbs heavier than the other colors (excluding metallics). Terry got screwed... ;)

 

[DivineStrike]

The first GT we got our hands on was a Base GT, I believe it was 3577lbs. We still haven't weighed a Performance Pack or Premium 2015. I don't think anyone that truly intends on racing is going to opt for a PP or Premium. Terry is stripping his only because he had to settle for it.

The only thing that concerns us it the starting point. The 2015 has all the 2011-2014 Performance Pack/Premium equipment standard. Why on Earth would I add in more weight, especially after seeing the 125lbs gap.

The 3577lbs or whatever it was...

Yes I remember your post about that, it was also with weight reduction and not a full tank of gas

Yes there are some things the 15 base comes with that the 11-14 did not. But it's not that much. 15 seats are lighter, the driveshaft is lighter etc..they have 6 speakers that's it. It's not 130lbs worth of extras...the other weight is in the rest of the car...as in more expensive to replace parts of the car.

both premium models come with much more than that and heavier leather.

the spread between both base to base and premium to premium is the same 130lbs or so.

 

[thePill]

I can tell you my personal 2011 Premium Brembo GT weighed 3555lbs with No washer fluid, no "trunk junk" and 50 miles to E or 1/4 tank. That would have made of GT slightly heavier than the first 2015 Base GT we weighed on 6 miles to E at 3577lbs.

Considering the 2015 GT's equipment trumped the '11 Premium. Also considering the '11's Performance Pack was trumped by the 2015 Base GT...

We seen a slight weight loss in the real world...

 

[thePill]

For the record, the original '15 we weighed had no trunk junk or an owners manual. I later seen them removing the washer fluid, this was after the baseline. It was being done to start balancing.

I was asked to leave when the interior started coming out.

Yes the seats are 2lbs heavier and the Brembo wheel/tires were 56lb as reported by Terry himself. The stock 2015's stock 18's were 55lbs as reported by Terry or BMR... can't remember.

I would say the major areas are a wash...

Hopefully my writings from 5 months ago are starting to make sense now.

 

[DivineStrike]

There is no weight loss, we are discussing real world numbers here. you are just ignoring these facts.

Your GT should weigh with all stock equipment in the car and full fluids about 3644ish lbs.

With that 15 base GT I feel you are leaving some details out, that said even with the addition of 96lbs of gas it weighs 3687lbs, more than your GT. This doesn't help your defense. A 15 Base GT weighs more than a well equipped 11 Premium GT. I don't see your logic in that.

With that, I am sure you will continue to twist numbers to try and support your claims...however these are the facts.


Facts:

2011 Base GT no options Full fuel weight: 3560lbs
2015 Base GT no options full fuel weight: 3705lbs ish

There will be some variances based on paint and normal differences between each car manufactured but this is what two cars weighed

with that I am done with this conversation. Ford was right about their curb weights the entire time.


Edit: Ok you added the missing info in another post.


Your writings will not make sense because they aren't true lol

 

[thePill]

No, it is true... Our first Base GT was well under 3600lbs. It is also true that the first 2015 we weighed was 357x. It is also true that my personal 2011 was 3555lbs with some minor weigh reduction.

By that comparison, and looking at the equipment involved, the first 2015 we weighed was slightly lighter than my personal 2011.

That is just what happened... and since Terry caught his very first '15 GT at 3593 while his 2011 weighed 3563lbs, I'd say our very first report (months and months ago) was as accurate as your going to get without pictures.

Now, if I start adding in equipment that I will eventually remove then yes, your argument is sound. But I don't need any of the additional equipment you want to weigh vs. a car made 5 years ago.

If none of what I said is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge, then you have the option to not read what I write.

It shouldn't bother you when I post information I found HERE, for you, to act on as you see fit. You decided against my warning and selected options...

So now you have a heavy Mustang but one that is far superior and livable than the previous 2010-2014 cars. I just don't feel the need to add in a '15's Performance Pack and Premium weight when the equipment offered in those packages were not availible before.

In real life, when equipment is considered, the '15's are about the same as the '11-'14's when equally equipped. All the weight saving potential is still in the 2015 and, as many here will come to find out, the S550's maximum weight loss potential is a little better.

Lighter, better balance, more rigid, more power and cheaper... Yes, it was well done.

 

[DivineStrike]

The 15 base isn't equally equipped to the 11 gt premium. The 15 certainly isn't lighter. It doesn't have 130lbs in extra options over an 11 base

 

[thePill]

The 11 premium isn't equally equipped to the 15 base.

You are correct, the '11 Premium doesn't have nearly the equipment the 2015 does.

Here is the sad truth...

You guys read too many comic books. The last time Ford actually reported an "official" curb weight was back in March 2010. Since then, 2011, 2012, 2013 and '14, the S197 has had a gradual weight increase that has gone unreported.

Similar to the 2SS's 3820lbs in 2009 which swelled to 3935lbs in 2015. Although not as large as the Camaro but, it wasn't 3620lbs. Some of the 2013-'14s went beyond 3640 up to nearly 3700lbs when optioned similar to a 2011. It just wasn't reported.

I know, there is no proof except a few guys that say so... Oh well... What we see in the real world is usually not as colorful as what was reported. We don't see 3620lbs S197's with a full tank. I have no idea where that number came from. We have seen 3560-3580lbs Base GT's from '11-'12 and 3640-3670lbs Premium. Just not many 3620lbs. Maybe an average... Who cares...

Scales don't lie and we can visually compare the equipment. The 2015 has a lot more content standard vs. a Base 2011 GT.

In our case, the 2015 GT was slightly lighter than my 2011. I can only assume the '13-'14 series was a tad heavier.

 

[DivineStrike]

Ok I edited my grammatical error.

And um no the last time Ford has been honest about curb weight is 2015

The 15 isn't lighter than your gt unless it's an eb or v6 lol

 

[Norm Peterson]

Now, if I start adding in equipment that I will eventually remove then yes, your argument is sound. But I don't need any of the additional equipment you want to weigh vs. a car made 5 years ago.

You wouldn't want the Torsen or PP-comparable brakes for your personal car?


Norm

 

[DivineStrike]

Torsen is a good point but his point will be that the bases brakes are equal to the Brembo brake package brakes

 

[Stuntman]

PP is worth it for the torsen alone.

So ThePills argument of a Base 15 having more features than a 11 Premium GT results in the 15 being 30lbs heavier despite having cloth seats:

2011 Base GT no options Full fuel weight: 3560lbs
2011 Premium GT, Brembo's EP full fuel weight: 3670ish
2015 Base GT no options full fuel weight: 3705lbs ish

I'm not sold on his claim of the 15 having REARWARD weight bias with a cage installed, let alone a cage and an empty tank which he keeps claimng (since less fuel makes the car more nose heavy).

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