Cobb or Bama

[cosmo]

Probably going to want HPFP and Meth, no?

How much to install all of that? Not realistic to think everyone (even most?) will be a DIYer.

HPFP/Meth is in there, $400-600.

To have a shop do all of that, you'll be paying an $2k+ more than likely. The only one that you might want a shop to do is the turbo, as you'll be dealing with coolant lines. Everything else, anyone with some car experience and some jacks will be able to do.

True...and the weight advantage leans to the EB but on the big end/after 5500 the GT is going to walk away.

On my 2013 with the CJ intake/tb/cai/Mike Rousch tune/Circle D/pypes headers and a lot of suspension mods I went 11.2@121 in the heat of the summer, in the nice mineshaft air at MIR in the fall it would have been a 10.8/7 car.

True. On a 1/4 mile track the GT will win out simply because of the high RPM range. Trap speed is interesting, as Eagle Talons have made 10s passes under 100 mph. They launch harder than a supercharged GT with slicks. Just the poor 4 cylinder can't keep up down the track. The EB would be more of a street king type thing, racing to 80.

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[cosmo]

Lot's of torque early on is not necessarily your friend from a dig - unless you can put it down. So now add bigger wheels/tires and suspension to the list.

That's true. You can include it, but even without the tires/suspension, you'd still be able to feather it and win on the PP wheels I'd bet.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

With free tires

So your insinuation is that a 5.0L will run a 12.8 on a street tire? Watch the .99 challenge that Ford Racing did with gutted cars.

 

[foghat]

HPFP/Meth is in there, $400-600.

You are not going to get a HPFP AND Meth for $600. I suspect double that number at a minimum.

True. On a 1/4 mile track the GT will win out simply because of the high RPM range. Trap speed is interesting, as Eagle Talons have made 10s passes under 100 mph. They launch harder than a supercharged GT with slicks. Just the poor 4 cylinder can't keep up down the track. The EB would be more of a street king type thing, racing to 80.

How can this be possible? Link?

 

[cosmo]

You are not going to get a HPFP AND Meth for $600. I suspect double that number at a minimum.




How can this be possible? Link?

The / is meant to show either or, you'd be right on double for both.

[ame] First drag.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Lighter car, big TQ

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

The HP of the larger motor allows for running down the turbo car. For the 1st 800' of a race the 5.0 will be trailing. The TQ of the EB 2.3 will put lengths on the 5.0. I raced our STOCK car at our CAD against a boosted Z06 and ran from his 427 for 400-500'.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

It will cost you $599.99+freight to outrun a 5.0L in the 1/4.

5.0L
QUARTER MILE 12.8 sec @ 112.2 mph

LMS Tuned 2.3L
QUARTER MILE 12.6 sec @ 107.5 mph

What I'm really interested in is how to trap 120 mph. Cheapest, easiest, and most reliable...between the GT and EB.

Can you compare recipes for this?

 

[foghat]

So your insinuation is that a 5.0L will run a 12.8 on a street tire? Watch the .99 challenge that Ford Racing did with gutted cars.

Hasn't that been already been proven? Motor Trend did it. As have others.

 

[cosmo]

What I'm really interested in is how to trap 120 mph. Cheapest, easiest, and most reliable...between the GT and EB.

Can you compare recipes for this?

It'll be easier on the GT I'd bet. I4 turbos are meant for pulling out of the hole quicker, and riding that to victory.

 

[foghat]

The / is meant to show either or, you'd be right on double for both.
First drag.

Right. My initial question on it was wouldn't you want both?

Thanks for the link. That is crazy, I did not think that would be possible.

 

[cosmo]

Right. My initial question on it was wouldn't you want both?

Thanks for the link. That is crazy, I did not think that would be possible.

Oh. It'd be kind of redundant. The reason we need the meth is to deal with the fueling issue at higher RPMs. With an upgraded HPFP, we wouldn't need the meth.

Adding a HPFP to deal with the higher RPM fueling issue, and then meth, would treat the meth to be more like a bolt on. The meth would be essentially only for power, not for fueling at that point.

edit: Yup. As you can see, turbo I4s can rip out of the hole. The talon is AWD, but still, it can be done. A lot of naturally aspirated users just point to trap speed as the end all be all judgement of the power/potential of the vehicle. As you can see... that really isn't true.

 

[foghat]

Oh. It'd be kind of redundant. The reason we need the meth is to deal with the fueling issue at higher RPMs. With an upgraded HPFP, we wouldn't need the meth.

Adding a HPFP to deal with the higher RPM fueling issue, and then meth, would treat the meth to be more like a bolt on. The meth would be essentially only for power, not for fueling at that point.

edit: Yup. As you can see, turbo I4s can rip out of the hole. The talon is AWD, but still, it can be done.

Gotcha. Yes, I was thinking as the meth as more of a power adder, well not a power adder in and of itself, but as a way to let you run more boost.

 

[greg hazlett]

What I'm really interested in is how to trap 120 mph. Cheapest, easiest, and most reliable...between the GT and EB.

Can you compare recipes for this?

Not going to happen for either one unless you dump a lot of mods/money into it and it will be easier on the GT.

 

[greg hazlett]

It will cost you $599.99+freight to outrun a 5.0L in the 1/4.

5.0L
QUARTER MILE 12.8 sec @ 112.2 mph

LMS Tuned 2.3L
QUARTER MILE 12.6 sec @ 107.5 mph

Mike ran that with his car, tune, intake and tires so that is realistic.

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