EV's.......... 😂😂😂😂😂

[S550HPP]

Glad I got a twin turbo 2.7 Bronco! Always wanted a twin turbo anything at reasonable price closest I got was a Volvo S60R with a twin charged
super And turbocharged that was executed perfectly.

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[sk47]

Nissan and Honda Just Stopped Building EVs for the U.S.—What Happened?

Hello; Can't find my crystal ball so do not know what will happen. The outlook for EV's does not seem to be some sort of destiny. At least in the short term fortunes for the EV's is dimmed. Now in the USA the taxpayer provided incentives are gone. That ought to mean the cost per unit will go up. Since sales were not keeping up with production before an increased price ought to slow things even more.
NOTE- I get there are some numbers gymnastics which can be applied to EV sales that make it seem the sales are doing great. I do not see such.

Some of the issues may be global policies. I think China has decided to restrict export of chip & battery raw materials. Who could have foreseen such a punishing economic move? (that's a joke by the way) (They sent the world Covid19 after all) Anyway chip and battery production likely will have to slow outside of China. Among my hopes is that the EV debacle of the last few years has not crippled domestic ICE companies too much.

Another thought being perhaps most who want - can afford an EV already have one.

 

[sk47]

GM to take $1.6 billion charge related to EV pullback | Watch

Hello; Correct me if wrong. My take is a "charge" is another way to say takes a loss of $1.6 billion in the third quarter. Other than the EV market has not lived up to expectations I did not gleen much from the article.

 

[sk47]

Ford mirrors GM decision, removes EV models from credit list

Hello; Ford has decided to follow GM's lead in regard to the $7,500 tax credit scheme. I get that they are car dealers and the nature is to take advantage. I hope Ford, GM and other car makers lay the blame for their EV problems on the folks who pushed the EV scam onto them. Of course some did not need to be pushed very hard. I wonder how Volvo will come away in the long run.

 

[sk47]

A $50,000 Scratch—How One Mercedes EV Exposed the Hidden Cost of Going Electric

Hello; As EV's get some time on them interesting & unexpected circumstances crop up. Not clear what sort of "speed bump" was run over. Maybe the sort in a parking lot which sit higher than those in driving lanes. Regardless the case which holds the battery pack was scratched. I think the scratch is reported to be 3 mm. 13mm is right at 1/2 inch so maybe a 1/4 inch scratch. I guess the battery pack was compromised is what inflates the repair price.

Of more interest to me is the potential for EV fires & repair costs to raise average insurance rates. The sensors in bumpers and windshields also add to repair costs by the way. I know some like the new tech stuff on a vehicle. Much of it could be done without in my opinion.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

EV racing action!

Video will start at the right point first time you click (7:24:xx) but is 9 hrs long. To watch again from that point, refresh the page and click again.

 

[sk47]

GM Axes 1,700 Across Michigan, Ohio, And Tennessee—Says $1.6B EV Credit Collapse To Blame

Hello; Been a few weeks since a post on EV's. Saw this today. Not unexpected after the taxpayer funded incentives went away.

 

[sk47]

EV Sales To Jump With New Batteries | Watch
Hello; Not worth the time to watch. Another "someday" the EV's will have _______ (insert the item). In this case a word salad about how EV makers are trying out new stuff in batteries. Not exactly breaking news on an actual new breakthrough.

One of my gripes has to do with the "pioneer" buyers dilemma. Many already own EV's the battery tech and operating tech is locked in. Seems they will be stuck financially when it comes time to trade in an EV already owned.
Skip ahead to whatever the new battery and/or operating tech may be. How long will such remain viable & supported? Will EV's become expensive throw away appliances?

 

[MontiCristo]

Every day when I pull away from the house and leave the 'hood, the kids make the "rev it up" motion - EV's kill that, take away from that, and are not representative of what it means to have a cool car and be an American. I'm all for having what you want, go for it if it makes you happy, but the rumble of a V-8 is MERIKA in my book!

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Every day when I pull away from the house and leave the 'hood, the kids make the "rev it up" motion - EV's kill that, take away from that, and are not representative of what it means to have a cool car and be an American. I'm all for having what you want, go for it if it makes you happy, but the rumble of a V-8 is MERIKA in my book!

I get it. It's like when the first cars arrived. Many people said they would never drive one because they live for the clip clops.

 

[sk47]

I get it. It's like when the first cars arrived. Many people said they would never drive one because they live for the clip clops.

Hello; A thing was they got to keep their clip-clops as long as they wanted. Best i know there was not a conspiracy to force folks into ICE. An old argument against the mandates which under new rules will not cripple the auto industry with unreachable MPG standards. I also think the no ICE mandates are nill. I do get in the fast-changing world the crazies can get hold of the reins and screw things up again.

Here is a point to consider. You or anyone can still have an EV or two or three if you want. You will not get others of us to pay for part of the cost anymore. But there is no mandate to stop the sale of EV's. Don't know if the prices of EV has dropped enough to offset the loss of taxpayer funded incentives.

 

[MontiCristo]

I would argue that the initial reluctance to the automobile from the clip clops was a concern over reliability. That does not come into play here. The impetus behind the government push for EV is not a concern over reliability. I'm only 45, but I will NEVER own or drive an electric vehicle.

 

[sk47]

I would argue that the initial reluctance to the automobile from the clip clops was a concern over reliability. That does not come into play here. The impetus behind the government push for EV is not a concern over reliability. I'm only 45, but I will NEVER own or drive an electric vehicle.

Hello; Have to agree with you on this point. While i was not around there have been sources of information from the period. Pictures and even some film. Written history as well. The transition from horses to automobiles meant a new technology (the ICE) had to be developed. From what I have read and seen there were lots of problems with early ICE vehicles.
The modern EV has few of those sorts of hurdles. Electric motors have been in use for a long time. I live in deep mine country. Big & powerful electric motors have been used in mines for decades. Subway rail cars run with electric motors.
The things which spurred on the EV were the some better batteries much less heavy than the lead -acid sort and computers.
Reliability is not the Achilles heel of EV's. It was, is and likely always will be the cost. Cost a lot to make the batteries. Costs a lot to package all the electronics & computers. A few days ago, I saw a rerun of a CAR FIX TV show. It was the first time I saw a Tesla being completely disassembled. I think the plan was to stuff the running gear into a classic car.

 

[sk47]

$148M EV startup shuts down after 10 years and 0 products leaving entire staff unpaid

Hello; There is an old joke. A recession is when your neighbor loses a job. A depression is when you lose your job. For workers at an EV company it is now a depression. Guess many of us saw this coming. That being that EV's do not compete well on their own merits.
As I read thru the story a few things stood out. One being the estimated cost for a consumer model was said to be $110,000. May be to some on this forum $110,000 is a small number. Even so such must be stacked up against an equivalent ICE vehicle.
The recent news is the EV only sales mandates are being rolled back in the USA and maybe even in Europe soon. Got to hope such holds true.
Another shoe which appears to be dropping is about the scare tactics used to push things such as EV's and "green energy" onto us. I have read a few articles. It appears some in a position to know may be starting to lift the curtain a bit. (Wizard of Oz reference)

 

[Joshinator99]

Ouch! Huge $19.5B loss for Ford on EVs…

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/f...-charge-ev-bet-implodes-pivots-grid-batteries

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