2021 Mustang Mach 1 Orders to be cancelled because commodity shortages

[Bobn57]

Hello; Just read thru this thread. Back some years ago I heard of a business model called just in time inventory. Best I recall it put an end to warehousing parts. I guess it worked well enough until it stopped working.

If I had any say in things the engine management systems would be about the only thing run by computer chips. I do like Fuel injection and spark timing of a modern engine, But that is about all.
I do not need the screens and other tech and would like a car with the least amount possible.

The chips are found in lots of places anymore. A few weeks ago the wipers on my truck would only work on high speed and would not park. Turned out the wiper motor was fine, but a small control box with chips was the fault.
My first car had a vacuum motor wiper system which was awful. When on the gas the wipers stopped - when I let off the gas they went fast. A real pain on a hill. Others had electric motor wipers that worked just fine. Not sure when the chips took over.

I remember JIT back in the 90's and felt its presence as I was in a manufacturing facility.....used to create havoc waiting for parts!

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[Jimmy Dean]

Say's a man who has not had much experience in purchasing/supply chain management.

I have. I hate JIT. I get it, but the problem is any little hiccup and it falls apart. Where I am now, we run a 3 month inventory, because the manufacturer runs a 0 month inventory. and they have failed so many times on delivery it is ridiculous, luckily our own inventory can pick up much of the slack.

I get that it makes sense for the manufacturer. so much money saved, in storage/warehousing, shipping, taxes, shelf life loss where applicable. But damn it can leave customers hanging high and dry, and honestly it is mostly on an effort to just shift those costs over to the customer, while also not lowering the price of the product to account for reduced price. because in reality, it does not lead to reduced price. You lose out on some economies of scale from batch manufacturing processes, and you have to pay extra on emergency shipments that eats up nearly all the warehousing savings. so, customer is paying the same, AND has to come out of pocket extra for their own warehousing.

 

[IPOGT]

Say's a man who has not had much experience in purchasing/supply chain management.


Perfect! Most are set way to high......



This situation has nothing to do with management or the market. You are desperate to find a villain but unwilling to accept to actual one, Covid. But if you want to sue, go for it.


Back in computer days Intel and AMD went from changing their models from twice a year to four times a year. That meant that PC makers came out with new models every quarter. You were forecasting for new models before the current models even went on sale. And you think car manufacturers are crazy. We live in a JIT world. Not is going to change it.

Just FYI, one of the single largest hits to a companies bottom line is inventory. Every manufacturer wants to limit it even if it means losing sales.

I remember JIT back in the 90's and felt its presence as I was in a manufacturing facility.....used to create havoc waiting for parts!

JIT-the original cause of backorders.

 

[danpass]

I remember JIT back in the 90's and felt its presence as I was in a manufacturing facility.....used to create havoc waiting for parts!

I remember standing on the line one time, observing the assembly concerning an engineering change we made.

The line shut down and those line workers IMMEDIATELY got off the line and went to order pizza.

The stoppage? Lack of parts, ie JIT.

Instead of having a buffer the parts were being flown in by helicopter. I wonder what that little ride cost for those bolts
(they actually were bolts, needed somewhere along the assembly line).

The lesson I learned (I already understood having a buffer was the smart thing .....) was that this had happened before, that the line workers weren't strangers to a line shutdown. Their immediacy was, despite the 'shortage', because they knew they had a short window to get their order in lol.

 

[DrumReaper]

If someone can sue for coffee …..

Maybe Ford does need to be sued. A solid, full power, kick in the crotch to fix their management practices.

I’ve never trusted JIT because anything can happen. I’m not talking about years worth of components but maybe one quarter/three months buffer.

The market nosedived but that has happened before and it always come back.

The snap, reflex decisions so many made ….
(I wasn’t one of them)

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Wow… dude, take a step back and think before you type.

Ford stepped up during the initial stages of the “pandemic” and churned out a crowd of vents. I’m sure you don’t care, but they participated in the wellness of America. During that time they lost revenue, but they saved a life by providing a vent.

fast forward to now and I don’t know what the hold up is with the HP cars but obviously, they diverted to what sells which is F150’s and fleet sales. Small market HP cars get the punt in that. It’s simple logic.

When you come on here and repeatedly bitch about “woe is me”because my M1 order got snatched due to some unknown issue you have no control over, you’re obviously wasting your time.

Sue Ford… go right ahead and balls up with your dough and time and sue Ford. What have you lost?… the desire of a 2021 M1? Again, what have you lost? What was your damages? Really? Wtf?!

There are more important things in the world than bitching over a damn car. Sheesh.

 

[sk47]

I remember JIT back in the 90's and felt its presence as I was in a manufacturing facility.....used to create havoc waiting for parts!

Hello; I was never on the inside of a company making products, so it was things read about for me. JIT seems to depend on a one world sort of concept. That being all countries with manufacture capacity have understandings with each other and things such as shipping continue to work.

I seem to recall how some odd combinations of components wound up in vehicles. I sort of figured back in the warehouse days there would be a lot of parts laying about when some model line was stopped, so they incorporated the parts into some other model. I seem to recall a big stink at GM when Oldsmobile engines wound up in Pontiacs, or was it the reverse. Essentially the same small block so the engines worked, but some consumers raised a stink.

For what it is worth one of my uncles built the 454 decades ago. He lived in Buffalo NY.

 

[5.Oh Crush]

Wow… dude, take a step back and think before you type.

Ford stepped up during the initial stages of the “pandemic” and churned out a crowd of vents. I’m sure you don’t care, but they participated in the wellness of America. During that time they lost revenue, but they saved a life by providing a vent.

fast forward to now and I don’t know what the hold up is with the HP cars but obviously, they diverted to what sells which is F150’s and fleet sales. Small market HP cars get the punt in that. It’s simple logic.

When you come on here and repeatedly bitch about “woe is me”because my M1 order got snatched due to some unknown issue you have no control over, you’re obviously wasting your time.

Sue Ford… go right ahead and balls up with your dough and time and sue Ford. What have you lost?… the desire of a 2021 M1? Again, what have you lost? What was your damages? Really? Wtf?!

There are more important things in the world than bitching over a damn car. Sheesh.

Amen. We all should care about human rights and a healthy economy for all. Not the small shit like a car order. Except if chick-fil-a messes my order up. Everything else be damned and is a joke.

 

[danpass]

.... but obviously, they diverted to what sells which is F150’s and fleet sales ....

Exactly. They should not have taken these orders then.

But they did.

And they confirmed them.

And they issued VINs, which I'm told is not done without plans to manufacture them.

What we have here is a failure to perform on Ford's part.

Then they potentially expect us to pay, at minimum, the SAME price for a detuned version of the same vehicle.

"It's only 10hp!" It could be only one or 100. Bottom line, it is detuned.

The whole point of staying with the 2021 order was to have that spec of vehicle. Now because of Ford's knuckleheadedness they have a problem.

As far as waiting and what not, we've already done that, no complaints, it was expected.

But this wholesale cancellation, and not even an explanation, is all on Ford.

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[Bobn57]

I have. I hate JIT. I get it, but the problem is any little hiccup and it falls apart. Where I am now, we run a 3 month inventory, because the manufacturer runs a 0 month inventory. and they have failed so many times on delivery it is ridiculous, luckily our own inventory can pick up much of the slack.

I get that it makes sense for the manufacturer. so much money saved, in storage/warehousing, shipping, taxes, shelf life loss where applicable. But damn it can leave customers hanging high and dry, and honestly it is mostly on an effort to just shift those costs over to the customer, while also not lowering the price of the product to account for reduced price. because in reality, it does not lead to reduced price. You lose out on some economies of scale from batch manufacturing processes, and you have to pay extra on emergency shipments that eats up nearly all the warehousing savings. so, customer is paying the same, AND has to come out of pocket extra for their own warehousing.

I've been in the electrical manufacturing industry since 1978 and have seen my share of issues.

I remember standing on the line one time, observing the assembly concerning an engineering change we made.

The line shut down and those line workers IMMEDIATELY got off the line and went to order pizza.

The stoppage? Lack of parts, ie JIT.

Instead of having a buffer the parts were being flown in by helicopter. I wonder what that little ride cost for those bolts
(they actually were bolts, needed somewhere along the assembly line).

The lesson I learned (I already understood having a buffer was the smart thing .....) was that this had happened before, that the line workers weren't strangers to a line shutdown. Their immediacy was, despite the 'shortage', because they knew they had a short window to get their order in lol.

When we experienced the subtle issues of JIT for the first time (I'm talking the early days of the science experiment), we used to order extra materials (which cancels the purpose of JIT to begin with...no one wants to carry lots of extra inventory to off set supply issues but we had no choice) just to make sure JIT did not bite us in the ass.

The JIT objective as we understood at the time was we could order parts and know they'd be available when we needed them and not have to carry excess inventory.
Most of the time it did not work...again in the early days. And these were for minor parts of a much larger assembly. Designs were already done so we had to scramble to find a substitute part, more than likely pay more for the part, expedite the crap out of delivery just to keep the customer's original ship date. And if we were lucky, not alter the original design or require additional customer review and acceptance. of substitute part.
No one wants to hear that we can't ship you order on time...or at all.
I just spoke to one of my suppliers today. One of his suppliers went from 2 - 4 week lead on some electronic components to a YEAR delivery! How do you plan for that! Its a domino effect. Unless you were hedging bets at the beginning of this covid crap you're behind the eight ball in all manufacturing industries....not just automotive.

 

[danpass]

People have done this/that/the other such as selling their car to take advantage of that hot market, buying stuff for new car, etc, all the while, knowing of the timeframe involved, yet with the expectation that Ford will deliver. A reasonable expectation given the history.

But now, "FU you everybody. We confirmed, we assigned VINs, but TS, everything is going to F150 and the E car. So, cancelled, suck it."

edit: I did not sell my ST, in case anyone was wondering lol. I was waiting for a production date on the Mach 1 order.

 

[Atlas1]

Exactly. They should not have taken these orders then.

But they did.

And they confirmed them.

And they issued VINs, which I'm told is not done without plans to manufacture them.

What we have here is a failure to perform on Ford's part.

Then they potentially expect us to pay, at minimum, the SAME price for a detuned version of the same vehicle.

"It's only 10hp!" It could be only one or 100. Bottom line, it is detuned.

The whole point of staying with the 2021 order was to have that spec of vehicle. Now because of Ford's knuckleheadedness they have a problem.

As far as waiting and what not, we've already done that, no complaints, it was expected.

But this wholesale cancellation, and not even an explanation, is all on Ford.

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to be honest, there is no lawsuit to bring in this situation. but i'm not going to fault you one bit for saying whatever you want in this thread or any other if it helps you vent. no judgements from me.
it sucks that you and many others here are not going to get the car you obviously wanted and had on order. i would be devastated if i was in your shoes. i hope you guys don't turn your back on the mach 1 and push to get your orders switched to '22. not sure who your order is with but i personally would be on the phone with granger today getting a '22 lined up. this will pass and you will get a mach 1.......and it all will have been worth it. but until then, you have every right to bitch and complain on here all you want, no matter how absurd it sounds to anyone else.

 

[DrumReaper]

Exactly. They should not have taken these orders then.

But they did.

And they confirmed them.

And they issued VINs, which I'm told is not done without plans to manufacture them.

What we have here is a failure to perform on Ford's part.

Then they potentially expect us to pay, at minimum, the SAME price for a detuned version of the same vehicle.

"It's only 10hp!" It could be only one or 100. Bottom line, it is detuned.

The whole point of staying with the 2021 order was to have that spec of vehicle. Now because of Ford's knuckleheadedness they have a problem.

As far as waiting and what not, we've already done that, no complaints, it was expected.

But this wholesale cancellation, and not even an explanation, is all on Ford.

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Wait a minute… I see… this is all about you. Damn, my bad.

Carry on… smh

 

[danpass]

People have done this/that/the other such as selling their car to take advantage of that hot market, buying stuff for new car, etc, all the while, knowing of the timeframe involved, yet with the expectation that Ford will deliver. A reasonable expectation given the history.

But now, "FU you everybody. We confirmed, we assigned VINs, but TS, everything is going to F150 and the E car. So, cancelled, suck it."

edit: I did not sell my ST, in case anyone was wondering lol. I was waiting for a production date on the Mach 1 order.

to quote myself ....

then there is the opportunity cost of this market.

Imagine your shot at a 2021 Mach 1 (kudos to those who got delivery) but now you're pushed into a 2022, through no fault of your own.

It's a year later and buyers are looking for a Mach 1, instead of the hybrid thing Ford just released.

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'Hey, I've got this 2022! It's newer!'

'Yeah, but I want the higher spec car, the 2021.'

'But it's only 10hp less.'

'I know but it's still higher spec and who knows what else they neutered.'

'Only 10hp!'

'I heard you!'
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That would have sounded crazy to me 5 years ago but in this market ....

Example:

Porsche 718/981, with the high spec 6 cylinder, changed in 2016 (718/982) to a turbo-4 with MORE horsepower, yes MORE.

But can you find a 981 with the amazing sounding six cylinder?

Nope.

But the turbo-4 you can find every day and yet it has more horsepower.

A different situation than above but equally odd.

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[stangcrazy]

Holy Shit this thread.... el Fuego !!!

 

[Jimmy Dean]

Holy Shit this thread.... el Fuego !!!

There are a lot of understandably upset folks here. I am a phone call away from being one of them. I get it.

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