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And the adjustable strut top mounts.
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And the adjustable strut top mounts.
And the adjustable strut top mounts.
The “handling package” is only aero bits?I mentioned in another thread, they're conspicuously missing from the order sheet ... are we sure they're still part of that package[?] They are specified in the CFTP, maybe they decided to make them exclusive to the more expensive package to support the cost.
eh? Sit in a premium EB and a GT350 and they look almost exactly identical inside. The gauges are all the same. The Dash is the same. There are some minor cues but it's not like the 350 seat leather is several grades better than the EB in quality, or major rework was done to the bolsters or stiching, or paneling, etc. The floor mats are the same, the controls (shifter, pedals, entertainment) are all the exact same parts.
The sheetmetal stampings are no different. It's not like one has steel and the other aluminum or titanium or even carbon fiber. If Ford wanted to impress they could have called up https://speedkore.com/speedkore-gt350-carbon-series/ and made it a production option.
The carbon fiber wheels aren't cheap but they are $12,000/set per an article from 2017, https://www.motor1.com/news/144031/cheaper-carbon-fiber-wheels/ which refers to http://www.carbonrev.com/contact-us#dealer as the contract manufacturer. And they might be even cheaper these days. I haven't called a local dealer.
The underlying frame/chassis of the 2 cars is again exactly the same as far as we know. The GT350/500 could have come with bonded AL members, extruded secions instead of welded steel. It could have had carbon fiber sections where appropriate. I hold no high regard for Tesla but their 100k car actually has some effort put into it to use cutting edge methods. Audi makes a 'space frame' design on their cars (since 1994) and the mid-grade 5 and 6 series cars have a combination of steel, aluminum, and fiber-reinforced plastic.
Had Ford checked off some of those boxes then 'entirely new car, just looks the same as the cheaper editions' might have had some credence. It's not really wrong to say that the Shelby is "just" an engine, trans, brakes, some extra radiators, (and CF wheels) stuffed into the EB/GT car. Granted those are some pretty major and important components but 'bespoke' or 'entirely new' isn't remotely correct.
Plenty of $100k cars get parked in front of HUD and Section 8 housing. He’s not impressing anyone, he’s making payments on two high 11 second cars.BLAQWHOLE
For a guy who claims that he does not visit this site, it sure seems like he does:
And confirming that fact that he is a fraud and a hack:
Yet he claims to own multiple high-demand/high roller versions of various brands, doesn’t drive them other than as commuter vehicles nd parks them outside his apartment building. Not sure he should be commenting on financial common sense or the buying habits of others.
Wow...converted to $CDN ....that’s not what I was expecting.Lol you are correct..I was looking at the GT350 price for the GG and D&D..So it is higher ! More like 75~76K !!!
Time to turbo or S/C the GT350 if I want that level of power......Man I'm thinking here in S. FL a GT500 will easily be well over a 100k for a while. At least a year or so.
I agreeI think $1500 for the handling package is highway robbery.. Crazy price for three pieces of plastic.
Honestly, I'm just glad they disinterested me out of the gate with no available manual and a 5 year old front end so that I didn't have to waste my time tracking down an allocationSo with the pricing announced, who is going to give up their allocation because the price to too high?
Watch out, he's going to call you poor next because he's willing to spend his life savings on a base model shelby! :LMAO:Well looking at the fact my truck, rv and 18 GT are all paid off, I sure could, I just don't see the value in it. Im glad other people do, so good for them.
Most likely leased.Plenty of $100k cars get parked in front of HUD and Section 8 housing. He’s not impressing anyone, he’s making payments on two high 11 second cars.
How many years did Ford test the GT350/GT350R on track? 3 years. With a professional IMSA race car driver, Billy Johnson. Why was that? To perfect the car for road racing/Track day competition. Do you know how many different components that they changed? Almost everything, so everything is bespoke to that car.eh? Sit in a premium EB and a GT350 and they look almost exactly identical inside. The gauges are all the same. The Dash is the same. There are some minor cues but it's not like the 350 seat leather is several grades better than the EB in quality, or major rework was done to the bolsters or stiching, or paneling, etc. The floor mats are the same, the controls (shifter, pedals, entertainment) are all the exact same parts.
The sheetmetal stampings are no different. It's not like one has steel and the other aluminum or titanium or even carbon fiber. If Ford wanted to impress they could have called up https://speedkore.com/speedkore-gt350-carbon-series/ and made it a production option.
The carbon fiber wheels aren't cheap but they are $12,000/set per an article from 2017, https://www.motor1.com/news/144031/cheaper-carbon-fiber-wheels/ which refers to http://www.carbonrev.com/contact-us#dealer as the contract manufacturer. And they might be even cheaper these days. I haven't called a local dealer.
The underlying frame/chassis of the 2 cars is again exactly the same as far as we know. The GT350/500 could have come with bonded AL members, extruded secions instead of welded steel. It could have had carbon fiber sections where appropriate. I hold no high regard for Tesla but their 100k car actually has some effort put into it to use cutting edge methods. Audi makes a 'space frame' design on their cars (since 1994) and the mid-grade 5 and 6 series cars have a combination of steel, aluminum, and fiber-reinforced plastic.
Had Ford checked off some of those boxes then 'entirely new car, just looks the same as the cheaper editions' might have had some credence. It's not really wrong to say that the Shelby is "just" an engine, trans, brakes, some extra radiators, (and CF wheels) stuffed into the EB/GT car. Granted those are some pretty major and important components but 'bespoke' or 'entirely new' isn't remotely correct.
That is seriously disappointing on Ford's part if true. Camber plates, even the best, most expensive available, are $500.I mentioned in another thread, they're conspicuously missing from the order sheet ... are we sure they're still part of that package[?] They are specified in the CFTP, maybe they decided to make them exclusive to the more expensive package to support the cost.
That is literally, the only difference. You can pretend your mustang is some unique high end exotic, but at the end of the day, it's still a Mustang, no matter how bad you want it to be something different. Same platform as the car I rent when I go to Maui. Heavy, and 5 years old.How many years did Ford test the GT350/GT350R on track? 3 years. With a professional IMSA race car driver, Billy Johnson. Why was that? To perfect the car for road racing/Track day competition. Do you know how many different components that they changed? Almost everything, so everything is bespoke to that car.
The new 500, how many years in development and testing? 3-4 years. Changing it and optimizing it again on track. All of this is documented and since you know how to search articles, I'll leave you to go to google and look for it.
If you think that the only thing that separates your PP1 from a GT350/GT350R and the new GT500 is engine, trans, brakes, coolers and rims, then I hate to burst your bubble because Ford would tell you that you're wrong. Your car was designed to be a sports car for the masses, and not even an enthusiast car which they defined the PP2 as being, these other cars were designed from their inception to be track cars, drag cars—cars that can see serious duty in racing and not break. If you don't believe me, go ask Ford. It's not hard information to find.