Guess what? Motortrend favors the Camaro again

[millhouse]

3 to 1 kid. 3 to 1! How the Hell is Mustang not making more money????????????:headbonk: Go drink some more of the c6 coolaid. You bring up the Challanger. Your getting your asses kicked by them also. The Camaro died once. Don't think GM wont pull the plug again! If sales don't turn around! I know C6 says sales are absolutely meaningless, I know, I know. But common sense doesn't exist over there! It's nitwits like you that make this forum wish the Camaro would die. Then you can brag about having the more rare car. Another stupid C6 talking point. I haven't heard from Medisin in a while. but your preaching his teachings.

Haha, one of my favorite camaro-isms. Camaro rare. :lol:

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[BmacIL]

The challenger makes money because the bulk of the tooling was paid for many years ago, and because its sales are surprisingly high considering how old it really is.

 

[w3rkn]

$39,490 as he said.

Can you show me on the Configurator, where the V8 Camaro gets an auto. It only shows the TURBO-banger getting the automatic.

 

[w3rkn]

And again, you're missing the point that I'm trying to make. Sales alone tells you nothing. Without knowing the expenses and exactly how much those sales are bringing in, all you're doing is making speculations based off nothing. How hard is that to understand. yet again, if you sell 100 items for $1 each, and someone else sells 50 items for $2 each, then you both made the same money. And even at that, you can't say who is more successful without knowing the expenses and costs. So yet again, sales figures alone mean absolutely nothing. Look at the Challenger. It sell worst than even the Camaro. Yet it is still being produced with no end in sight. That is enough to tell you something unless you wanna just ignore it.

2nd point, regardless of how disgusting or hideous you and the entire automotive world think the Camaro is, it is still a big success and it sells more than enough to justify it's existence and to secure it's continued production. It's design is safe enough that at bare minimu it made it thru production and is deemed safe according to automotive standards and the DMV. And it sells enough and is a hit among the Camaro crowd. From a critic's POV sure you can protest that it is the worst design ever and that GM is failing and will be out of business soon all because of the Camaro. But we both know that outside of that POV it is thriving and many people are buying them up and enjoying them.

I am not talking about sales.

I don't care who sells more cars & I just mentioned it, because the Camaros are discounted due to lack of sales (ie cheap deals to be had).


I am mostly talking about the mental state of someone who has a choice, and chooses to buy something based on 100% on it's performance, without any regard to it's function, visibility & bumblebee looks.

:mullet:

 

[thehunterooo]

I am not talking about sales.

I don't care who sells more cars & I just mentioned it, because the Camaros are discounted due to lack of sales (ie cheap deals to be had).


I am mostly talking about the mental state of someone who has a choice, and chooses to buy something based on 100% on it's performance, without any regard to it's function, visibility & bumblebee looks.

:mullet:

Nothing wrong with wanting to be king of the fourms.

 

[JohnnyUtah]

I am not talking about sales.

I don't care who sells more cars & I just mentioned it, because the Camaros are discounted due to lack of sales (ie cheap deals to be had).


I am mostly talking about the mental state of someone who has a choice, and chooses to buy something based on 100% on it's performance, without any regard to it's function, visibility & bumblebee looks.

:mullet:

The mental state? Getting a little dramatic here.

For me the Camaro performs and functions great. I understand the visibility concerns that some people have but feel that it's blown out of proportion. It's really not a big deal to me.

I think my 1LE looks great too. You night not think so, but that's OK.

You drive a 135 according to your info. Most people find those ugly too bub. I like them, but let's not pretend that they are universally considered a beautiful design.

 

[w3rkn]

The mental state? Getting a little dramatic here.

For me the Camaro performs and functions great. I understand the visibility concerns that some people have but feel that it's blown out of proportion. It's really not a big deal to me.

I think my 1LE looks great too. You night not think so, but that's OK.

You drive a 135 according to your info. Most people find those ugly too bub. I like them, but let's not pretend that they are universally considered a beautiful design.

:frusty: :frusty:

Nobody is talking about performance.

We are talking about aesthetics and design. And again, people are not blowing it out of proportion, the Camaro's lack of visibility is well documented.

Secondly, you qualify your whole statement with "it's not a big deal to me..". It is ok if you can live with it, but don't pretend like the Camaro's canopy is stellar, or a major selling point. It is a compromise you have to take, if you want cheap performance. Which is great if you have the EXACT physiology that the Camaro was designed for, but as you can see, poor interior design and horrid visibility only actually works for a small group of people, to whom it is no big deal.

Ironically, afterwards those people attempt to tell the greater populace it's no big deal. But it is a big deal, it is mentioned in EVERY SINGLE AUTOMOTIVE JOURNALIST REVIEW of the CAMARO...


So now they are heavily discounted and :mullet: are buying them up left and right on the cheap.




(PS: Yes, I use to drive an ugly BMW 135is... and I never once defended it's looks, or lied to myself about it. But I will tell you, that it's visibility was superb.)

 

[martinjlm]

Can you show me on the Configurator, where the V8 Camaro gets an auto. It only shows the TURBO-banger getting the automatic.

Not sure I follow this question. Are you suggesting Camaro doesn’t offer an automatic with a V8?

 

[JohnnyUtah]

:frusty: :frusty:

Nobody is talking about performance.

We are talking about aesthetics and design. And again, people are not blowing it out of proportion, the Camaro's lack of visibility is well documented.

Secondly, you qualify your whole statement with "it's not a big deal to me..". It is ok if you can live with it, but don't pretend like the Camaro's canopy is stellar, or a major selling point. It is a compromise you have to take, if you want cheap performance. Which is great if you have the EXACT physiology that the Camaro was designed for, but as you can see, poor interior design and horrid visibility only actually works for a small group of people, to whom it is no big deal.

Ironically, afterwards those people attempt to tell the greater populace it's no big deal. But it is a big deal, it is mentioned in EVERY SINGLE AUTOMOTIVE JOURNALIST REVIEW of the CAMARO...


So now they are heavily discounted and :mullet: are buying them up left and right on the cheap.




(PS: Yes, I use to drive an ugly BMW 135is... and I never once defended it's looks, or lied to myself about it. But I will tell you, that it's visibility was superb.)

You literally mentioned performance in the post I quoted.

I also mentioned that I understand that visibility is an issue to some people. I never once said it has a stellar canopy. You are just making things up at this point.

Every vehicle has compromises. It's hilarious that you seem to think the Mustang is the perfect car. Reality is that some cars are perfect for some people that aren't for others.

I wasn't willing to make the compromise with the Mustang. It didn't have the track ready package that I wanted. I don't want to spend a bunch of time and money modding suspension, cooling, etc. when I could simply buy a 1LE and be done. I have little kids and little time as it is. This is why I ended up at the 1LE.

If we all didn't choose certain things to be more important than others then we would all drive minivans because they have the perfect combo of visibility, utility, and gas mileage. Yay. Is yours beige too?

You can talk all the shit that you want about the visibility and looks and mullets and whatever else, but the fact is the 1LE is a great car. It's just not right for you. Enjoy your Mustang or 135 or whatever it is that you have. I'm sure it was the right choice.

 

[4V Mayhem]

3 to 1 kid. 3 to 1! How the Hell is Mustang not making more money????????????:headbonk: Go drink some more of the c6 coolaid. You bring up the Challanger. Your getting your asses kicked by them also. The Camaro died once. Don't think GM wont pull the plug again! If sales don't turn around! I know C6 says sales are absolutely meaningless, I know, I know. But common sense doesn't exist over there! It's nitwits like you that make this forum wish the Camaro would die. Then you can brag about having the more rare car. Another stupid C6 talking point. I haven't heard from Medisin in a while. but your preaching his teachings.

I'm a "nitwit" eh?
So tell me. Exactly how much is GM losing based solely off the sales numbers?

I am not talking about sales.

I don't care who sells more cars & I just mentioned it, because the Camaros are discounted due to lack of sales (ie cheap deals to be had).


I am mostly talking about the mental state of someone who has a choice, and chooses to buy something based on 100% on it's performance, without any regard to it's function, visibility & bumblebee looks.

:mullet:

Cheap deals to be had? For the past 3 years all I heard on this forum is how cheap people were getting Mustangs for. Mustangs have had the most aggressive discounts and rebates than the Camaro and Challenger. In fact, GM just recently started giving out deals and even then it was still nowhere even close to what Mustangs are being discounted for. Ever heard of Koon's Ford? How many people have gotten Mustangs for several thousand dollars off MSRP?

 

[bootlegger]

I'm a "nitwit" eh?
So tell me. Exactly how much is GM losing based solely off the sales numbers?



Cheap deals to be had? For the past 3 years all I heard on this forum is how cheap people were getting Mustangs for. Mustangs have had the most aggressive discounts and rebates than the Camaro and Challenger. In fact, GM just recently started giving out deals and even then it was still nowhere even close to what Mustangs are being discounted for. Ever heard of Koon's Ford? How many people have gotten Mustangs for several thousand dollars off MSRP?

Koon's is a volume dealer and not the norm. Down here, epic Mustang deals are rare. Challengers have been, and continue to be, the deepest discounted of the 3. I can lease a Hellcat right now for far less than a 60 mo financing payment on a $42k Mustang. it was tempting when I ordered my car.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Koon's is a volume dealer and not the norm. Down here, epic Mustang deals are rare. Challengers have been, and continue to be, the deepest discounted of the 3. I can lease a Hellcat right now for far less than a 60 mo financing payment on a $42k Mustang. it was tempting when I ordered my car.

With $7500 down correct?

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I'm a "nitwit" eh?
So tell me. Exactly how much is GM losing based solely off the sales numbers?



Cheap deals to be had? For the past 3 years all I heard on this forum is how cheap people were getting Mustangs for. Mustangs have had the most aggressive discounts and rebates than the Camaro and Challenger. In fact, GM just recently started giving out deals and even then it was still nowhere even close to what Mustangs are being discounted for. Ever heard of Koon's Ford? How many people have gotten Mustangs for several thousand dollars off MSRP?

When was the last time you heard of Ford offering 20% off? Never right? Ever hear of Kerbeck chevrolet? They offer several thousand off msrp on Corvettes. Whats your point? Its called volume discount.

 

[millhouse]

Koon's is a volume dealer and not the norm. Down here, epic Mustang deals are rare. Challengers have been, and continue to be, the deepest discounted of the 3. I can lease a Hellcat right now for far less than a 60 mo financing payment on a $42k Mustang. it was tempting when I ordered my car.

Indeed, I thought about flying into Koons, but decided instead to just go for a local deal a little under X Plan. I just didn't have the time and have been burned by long distance sales before.

 

[martinjlm]

When was the last time you heard of Ford offering 20% off? Never right? Ever hear of Kerbeck chevrolet? They offer several thousand off msrp on Corvettes. Whats your point? Its called volume discount.

Neither company offers 20% of either car. GM did a couple years ago to move 16’s off the lot when 17s were coming in. And that promotion was ALL CHEVROLETS except Corvette and some SUVs, so not a Camaro thing. A lot of Camaro buyers were waiting for the same thing to happen when 18s were coming in. When the 20% deal came along Camaros, Corvettes, and some SUVs were EXCLUDED and a lot of people were disappointed.

The only song that plays louder than the “Camaros are discounted everywhere” song on Mustang 6 is the “Why can’t I get a better deal?” song on Camaro 6. Methinks the truth lies somewhere in between.

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