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My dead head system will be cheaper by ~$100-150...my full return with billet rails will be around ~$1,000...it'll be cheaper if you go with the our budget regulator vs aeromotive in the standard kit...but don't quote me 100% on the prices yet, how ever the goal is to get a full return system with rails in the $900-$1000 range and the dead head in the $800-$900 range(both cheaper with budget regulator)
I look forward to this and I am very interested. I just picked up a bone stock 2015 Mustang and plan on going twins over the winter. So if you need a clean slate test mule send me a PM, lol!
 

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Converting the stock hat to a larger AN style line seems easy but I have not tried it yet. My plan is to use the parts below. I was thinking about going with 10AN feed line and 8AN return so I am good to go when I upgrade to a tripple pump hat down the road. I am wondering if going to a 10AN would be too large a line. I also need to find out what type of HP a 8An will support at 65PSI and how much of a return line is needed.


https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vpe-16886 (Vibrant Performance Fuel Adapter Fittings 16886) This will convert pump hat 3/8 line to 6AN

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/icb-an894-06-08b (6AN-8AN (ICT Billet Reducer Fittings AN894-06-08B) Use this to convert 6AN to 8AN
You're still flowing fuel through the stock 3/8" port. Will that still be a restriction even with a bigger line? [MENTION=26740]Jn2[/MENTION] did you use this adapter or did you remove it and go all AN from the stock pumps? I was thinking about getting rails w/crossover and just feeding in one rail and out the other versus a Y into each rail, and then each rail into the regulator. I'm just wondering how much more power the bigger feed line/rails will be able to support without upgrading my injectors from 1050x to 1300. [MENTION=17656]higdominator[/MENTION] was leaning out around 7500 at 850rwhp and I believe running the stock feed line through DW95's IIRC.

FYI Sai will not warranty his pumps if you add a filter to them.
 
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You're still flowing fuel through the stock 3/8" port. Will that still be a restriction even with a bigger line? [MENTION=26740]Jn2[/MENTION] did you use this adapter or did you remove it and go all AN from the stock pumps? I was thinking about getting rails w/crossover and just feeding in one rail and out the other versus a Y into each rail, and then each rail into the regulator. I'm just wondering how much more power the bigger feed line/rails will be able to support without upgrading my injectors from 1050x to 1300. [MENTION=17656]higdominator[/MENTION] was leaning out around 7500 at 850rwhp and I believe running the stock feed line through DW95's IIRC.

FYI Sai will not warranty his pumps if you add a filter to them.
You could do that, it wouldn't be hard at all to drill out the hat and add a bulk head fitting in order to go with larger lines. Once this kit gets out I am actually planning on upgrading those GT350 pumps to the new DW400's(which flow 31% more than the Walboro 455's) to help support 1kwhp+ on e85 on a dual set up....but this won't be ti'll later on(if ever)
 

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You're still flowing fuel through the stock 3/8" port. Will that still be a restriction even with a bigger line? @Jn2 did you use this adapter or did you remove it and go all AN from the stock pumps? I was thinking about getting rails w/crossover and just feeding in one rail and out the other versus a Y into each rail, and then each rail into the regulator. I'm just wondering how much more power the bigger feed line/rails will be able to support without upgrading my injectors from 1050x to 1300. @higdominator was leaning out around 7500 at 850rwhp and I believe running the stock feed line through DW95's IIRC.

FYI Sai will not warranty his pumps if you add a filter to them.
I have to ask why Sai would not stand behind his pumps if we added a inline filter ? If the GT350 uses a inline filter and we are using GT350 pumps I can't see why that would be a problem ..:confused:
 

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What micron does it filter
WIX 24004
PRODUCT DETAILS
PARTS DETAIL
Principal Application: Replacement Element for 24003 or 24744 - Can use w/ ethanol or methanol (7 micron)
Style: Fuel Cartridge (Special Type) Filter
Service: Fuel
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 7.937
Outer Diameter: 1.687
Inner Diameter Top: Closed
Inner Diameter Bottom: 0.534
Max Flow Rate: 12 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 7





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You could do that, it wouldn't be hard at all to drill out the hat and add a bulk head fitting in order to go with larger lines. Once this kit gets out I am actually planning on upgrading those GT350 pumps to the new DW400's(which flow 31% more than the Walboro 455's) to help support 1kwhp+ on e85 on a dual set up....but this won't be ti'll later on(if ever)
Would that 3/8" output from the stock hat still be a restriction though? The 3/8 to AN adapter almost seems too easy. I still have my original single pump/hat assembly in the garage, so I'll take a look at that one.

At some point the injectors are going to be a limiting factor. Not sure how far these 1050's have been pushed.
 

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Would that 3/8" output from the stock hat still be a restriction though? The 3/8 to AN adapter almost seems too easy. I still have my original single pump/hat assembly in the garage, so I'll take a look at that one.

At some point the injectors are going to be a limiting factor. Not sure how far these 1050's have been pushed.
Bulkhead for the feed, on the tank side you route it to the 2 pumps, on the top you route a single line to your rails. Again, only a idea in my head right now, might never come to fruition
 

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Bulkhead for the feed, on the tank side you route it to the 2 pumps, on the top you route a single line to your rails. Again, only a idea in my head right now, might never come to fruition
So your current setup just uses the 3/8" feed to AN adapter then.
 

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I am not an engineer but I am thinks the very short section of 3/8 would impact flow that much. It will be interesting to see how this performs vs fore dual setup. If one of these pumps supports 600whp 2 should do 900
 

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I am not an engineer but I am thinks the very short section of 3/8 would impact flow that much. It will be interesting to see how this performs vs fore dual setup. If one of these pumps supports 600whp 2 should do 900
I'd like to see how limiting the 3/8 line really is, because that's what everyone says is the limiting factor. Some say you just need bigger injectors. Only way to really find out is to try it I guess. Maybe someone who's starting to run out of fuel up top can try a new feed line with rails and tell us how it changes. haha. I already have a Sai kit and was looking to upgrade my feed line and rails, and go true return to help with vapor lock. And at some point I may need more fuel. Not sure how these 350 pumps do at higher base pressures.
 

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Not sure how these 350 pumps do at higher base pressures.
Ask and you shall receive, also I might offer a upgrade kit for you to replace your feed line with a 8AN line and include billet rails, thinking somewhere around $350...this would let you go true return so you won't have to worry about vapor lock
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Are bigger lines going to overwork these pumps?
 

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Are bigger lines going to overwork these pumps?
no, larger lines create less friction, less friction = less pressure drop acrcoss the an identical lenght of hose(6an vs 8an). The flow gains would be minimal, on a high pressure EFI system, pressure drop across hose is a lot smaller than it is on a low pressure carb set up. So IF you are only be seeing a 3psi drop on 6AN that is maybe 1.5-2psi on 8AN, you would then need to refer to the pumps flow chart and see how much more flow the 1-1.5psi you just saved will give you. Chances are it's a negligible amount.

best way to know is to measure fuel psi at the pump outlet and then at the rails
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