PP2= 10ths of seconds increase??

[Sasuketr]

I'm not over exaggerating...or exaggerating at all for that matter. Maybe different people have slightly different experiences. But basically a GT350 IM, tune, cai, and exhaust ain't enough to do it against a stock SS. You have to ask if those mods can drop .5-1.0 seconds off a quarter mile. With those mods it'll be close. But throw in headers and you should be able to at least keep up. Several people with the IM/TB, cai, tune, and catback have still been losing to the stock SS. You would need more. Just calling it like it is. Those Camaros are nothing to scoff at or to underestimate.

I dont know where you get those 0.5-1 sec numbers? Magazines? In real life we had people going 12.3 s stock mustang auto vs stock camaro auto 11.9. Even if you take the magazines into account, the stock manual gtpp mustang quarter mile is in 12.8 vs manual 2016 ss 12.4. Auto mustangs depend on what gear option they are running. SS 8 speed shifts fast compared to stock mustangs thats for sure.

But if you do the math, with right tires and simple modes, its not impossible to equal or best a stock ss. If both cars have the same rubber and same driver I don't see the difference being more than 0.3 0.4 seconds.

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[GSLSE20B]

I'm not over exaggerating...or exaggerating at all for that matter. Maybe different people have slightly different experiences. But basically a GT350 IM, tune, cai, and exhaust ain't enough to do it against a stock SS. You have to ask if those mods can drop .5-1.0 seconds off a quarter mile. With those mods it'll be close. But throw in headers and you should be able to at least keep up. Several people with the IM/TB, cai, tune, and catback have still been losing to the stock SS. You would need more. Just calling it like it is. Those Camaros are nothing to scoff at or to underestimate.

I race full bolt on and N20 2016 SS cars and have never had an issue beating them .

 

[18psi]

But what do you know, you only race every Wednesday, in real life.
4V is a professional forum poster and expert bench racer, reality ultimately doesn't matter, his theory and feelings on the subject is what matters.

 

[American]

If anyone out there with full bolt-ons are not demolishing a stock SS, they need to have their man cards pulled. That would be entirely a driver issue, not a car issue.

This.

 

[15GTBEN]

Dear lord, this has to stop.

Throwing away hero times, the SS has a .3-.5 second advantage. You have to stop with the 1 second nonsense. There is no magical fairy dust that the SS has over the mustang. This is entirely about power to weight ratio, at which point it really only takes a CAI and a tune for the GT to catch up. That’s it. Granted, not all tunes are created equal…and the mustang seems to be notoriously difficult to launch.

Adding on a GT350 intake manifold is going to give the mustang GT a clear power to weight advantage….at which point the camaro is going to fall quickly behind.

If anyone out there with full bolt-ons are not demolishing a stock SS, they need to have their man cards pulled. That would be entirely a driver issue, not a car issue.

Yeah I have seen many of them run and are a good 4-5 tenths/mph quicker stock vs stock. People seeing a second quicker are comparing times from a different track/day, DA, driver, transmission...



OP:
Results from the PP2 would be entirely theoretical at this point. I doubt it would be enough for a stock SS however.
Good e85 tune, with 350 IM should be no prob.

 

[wireeater]

Auto SS vs 6SPD GT, is where a difference comes in. Almost every SS I see running 1/4 is an auto. An auto GT with a tune will run pretty much close to the same times as a SS in the 1/4. The cars aren't that far apart from each other as much as people try to hype it. On paper the SS definetly looks faster. In the real world, stock for stock, it's barely there. They probably have a .5 seconds on the GT. To some people I guess that matters, I laugh at it. That's why I just don't bother with track shit. It's for micro-arguing tiny numbers.

 

[RomanB]

Stock intake and tube, no headers Lund FF 3.31. Right lane was a new SS. I was sleeping and still caught him.

 

[GSLSE20B]

Stock intake and tube, no headers Lund FF 3.31. Right lane was a new SS. I was sleeping and still caught him.

Hahaha you made up the reaction loss by the 330 ft

 

[Taneras]

No doubt the auto SS's are faster, but as others have said all it takes is a Lund FF tune and the difference is essentially erased. I'd still give a very slight edge to an SS, but its nothing drastic.

You start adding on other bolt on's, intake, full exhaust, GT350 manifold, and its not even close.

I think 4v's probably speaking from personal experience. His sig says he's running in a premium vert, the heaviest of the heavy as far as Mustang GT's are concerned. He's also running a GT350 manifold without LT's, which from what I've read feed off each other very well. He's also running a manual, so there might be a little driver error there. When we're comparing cars this close, even body weight can be a factor. I'm a slim guy, 165lbs. If I race an SS who's driver is 250lbs, that pretty much cancels out the weight advantage the SS has.

If you're a heavy guy, running a premium vert, and not shifting very well, I could see a Stock auto SS pulling on a GT with a custom tune and GT350 manifold and TB.

Not to get too far off topic, I do think a GT needs more than a PP2 to run with an SS. Maybe it'd give an average driven manual a good run, but not an auto. You need a good FF/E85 tune to make it close. Add on LT's or a GT350 manifold, or both, and its a win for the stang.

 

[RomanB]

Hahaha you made up the reaction loss by the 330 ft

And still on the stock base GT springs and Shocks. Video of the car launching is almost comical. 3.73 gear might be next, I am going through the traps in the top of third.

 

[4V Mayhem]

But what do you know, you only race every Wednesday, in real life.
4V is a professional forum poster and expert bench racer, reality ultimately doesn't matter, his theory and feelings on the subject is what matters.

I dont know where you get those 0.5-1 sec numbers? Magazines? In real life we had people going 12.3 s stock mustang auto vs stock camaro auto 11.9. Even if you take the magazines into account, the stock manual gtpp mustang quarter mile is in 12.8 vs manual 2016 ss 12.4. Auto mustangs depend on what gear option they are running. SS 8 speed shifts fast compared to stock mustangs thats for sure.

But if you do the math, with right tires and simple modes, its not impossible to equal or best a stock ss. If both cars have the same rubber and same driver I don't see the difference being more than 0.3 0.4 seconds.

So if I get info from a mag you guys get upset...if I get info from racing every Wednesday you guys still have something to say. Even tho I clearly said different people have different experiences. Sounds like you just hated hearing that the SS is faster. Maybe you should stop taking things personally. I wasn't insulting you or the GT. I was just stating the obvious that we all know. But ok, sure, hey, if that's what you wanna hear, then ok stock to stock the GT is just as fast as the SS. Whatever makes you guys happy believing is fine with me. I was wrong, the PP1 should be enough to beat a stock SS.

 

[4V Mayhem]

No doubt the auto SS's are faster, but as others have said all it takes is a Lund FF tune and the difference is essentially erased. I'd still give a very slight edge to an SS, but its nothing drastic.

You start adding on other bolt on's, intake, full exhaust, GT350 manifold, and its not even close.

I think 4v's probably speaking from personal experience. His sig says he's running in a premium vert, the heaviest of the heavy as far as Mustang GT's are concerned. He's also running a GT350 manifold without LT's, which from what I've read feed off each other very well. He's also running a manual, so there might be a little driver error there. When we're comparing cars this close, even body weight can be a factor. I'm a slim guy, 165lbs. If I race an SS who's driver is 250lbs, that pretty much cancels out the weight advantage the SS has.

If you're a heavy guy, running a premium vert, and not shifting very well, I could see a Stock auto SS pulling on a GT with a custom tune and GT350 manifold and TB.

Not to get too far off topic, I do think a GT needs more than a PP2 to run with an SS. Maybe it'd give an average driven manual a good run, but not an auto. You need a good FF/E85 tune to make it close. Add on LT's or a GT350 manifold, or both, and its a win for the stang.

Thanks man. I use my personal experiences and also what I see at the track. I'm a big guy. With me in my GT at the track and a full tank of gas, I weigh in at around 4150 pounds. And I am not the best driver I'll give you that. I don't go to beat previous times or to get any specific time for that matter. I go strictly for fun. As of yet, I have not lined up against a new SS but I have beaten 5th Gen SS Camaros pretty convincingly. I have seen several times that guys in GTs with a hard top in autos and manuals had a tough time against the new SS. Even the guys with LTs and full mods had a bit of a hard time. I have the IM/TB but no headers as of yet because I'm still debating on how much I wanna mod this car vs getting something else. So it'll be a while if I do get headers. But maybe some of these guys here are taking things personally. I know whenever you say something negative about the GT against a competitor on a Mustang forum you open yourself up to ridicule...even if it is true. Or maybe these guys are just speaking their own personal experiences. Maybe the SS they beat was a vert with a bad driver. I don't know. But if I'm to say what I've seen, then from what I've seen, you need LTs and other mods to beat those SS Camaros. They are nothing to take lightly.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

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[4V Mayhem]

:shrug:

What is done to your GT that you're running mid 11s?

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Intake tune headers stall. 4010 race weight. Tune and intake is all it takes trust me. I'm 6 and 0 against 16 Camaros. And my wife is 3 and 0.

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