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The weight lost in the drivetrain is offset by what the car gains in other areas so I didn't add it to the above. What do you guys think? Realistic or not?
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I mean how much can a radiator support really save weight wise? (4lbs) 5.2L weight vs 5.0L? (3lbs) What about wheels? (80lbs/128lbs static weight) Track pack? (+15lbs) Rotor hats in all 4 corners? (4lbs)

3814lbs (GT) +/- above= 3690lbs GT350

3705lbs (Base GT) +/- above= 3581lbs GT350

I'm being really conservative with my numbers.
That's the thing, the 3705lbs is NOT a base GT. Not when a real GTPP with Recaro's was weighed to be only 15lbs heavier. The Base GT's weigh is not advertised, only in Europe. It weighs about 3640-3660lbs. Even that 3720lbs that was scaled on here could reach the 3705lbs on just variations in weight. There is usually a 20-30lbs window that the same exact car will fluctuate.

The 3814lbs was a Fully Loaded, Premium GTPP with standard seats if I remember correctly. I have no idea if a Premium was weighed, I don't think it was.

Regardless, Ford is using the 3705lbs as their basis for that comment because it is the only official weight. We just don't know what that weight consist of.

The last PP added about 70lbs to the Base GT, that means a Base GT here in the US would be about 3640lbs OR, about the same weight they report in Europe.

1lbs here, 4lbs there, 12lbs under here, 5lbs over there... It all adds up...

Don't let Seven-Oh-Joe fool you, he's in panic mode and reaching. He hopes they mean 3820lbs... It would still be lighter than the z28...

But I am afraid the 5th Gen is pretty much dead in the water...
 

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Then why does Fords web site say Base GT weight 3705 lbs if it's not the base? A billion dollar company can't weigh a car?
 

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I understand I'm being conservative with my estimates. That way we don't get our hopes up and when we see official numbers it's better than expected.
 

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Then why does Fords web site say Base GT weight 3705 lbs if it's not the base? A billion dollar company can't weigh a car?
It's impossible for a Mustang to take on a Performance Package, Premium and all options and only add 110lbs. We have already seen a GTPP at 3722lbs, I can't believe the Performance pack only added 15lbs when the last one weighed 70lbs. It isn't adding up... Just removing the previous PP weight from 3750lbs would drop it below the official 3705lbs. It's not adding up. I think the Performance Package is 70lbs, the Premium is 70lbs and all the stand alone options could add up to 40lbs (not including the spare tire option). Recaro's save maybe 10lbs on a Base, 50-60lbs on a Premium. I think I am being generous on the package weights, that would give you a 3890lbs GTPP Premium Loaded. About 70lbs heavier than the Car and Driver car. Now, add in the 70lbs for a Premium and 40lbs for the option onto dudes GTPPs 3720lbs, it gets right on top of C&D's 3814lbs. I'd say that is a typo...

If there were something to support that claim, I'd buy it. So far, what is happening in real life is different than the Internet.

Wher are you finding aluminum wheels that weigh 57lbs? Most aluminum wheels are in the low 30lb range, your 57lbs has to be with tire on it.
Ah, you are correct, that is with wheel and tire. There is a picture of one being weighed. Grim posted it up a while ago.
 
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Where have you seen a gtpp at 3722? There have been many on this site that were higher then that with proof.
 

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It's impossible for a Mustang to take on a Performance Package, Premium and all options and only add 110lbs. We have already seen a GTPP at 3722lbs, I can't believe the Performance pack only added 15lbs when the last one weighed 70lbs. It isn't adding up... Just removing the previous PP weight from 3750lbs would drop it below the official 3705lbs. It's not adding up. I think the Performance Package is 70lbs, the Premium is 70lbs and all the stand alone options could add up to 40lbs (not including the spare tire option). Recaro's save maybe 10lbs on a Base, 50-60lbs on a Premium. I think I am being generous on the package weights, that would give you a 3890lbs GTPP Premium Loaded. About 70lbs heavier than the Car and Driver car. Now, add in the 70lbs for a Premium and 40lbs for the option onto dudes GTPPs 3720lbs, it gets right on top of C&D's 3814lbs. I'd say that is a typo...

If there were something to support that claim, I'd buy it. So far, what is


happening in real life is different than the Internet.


Ah, you are correct, that is with wheel and tire. There is a picture of one being weighed. Grim posted it up a while ago.


I can see 50-70lbs for the pp package, but I just can't see 110 lbs for the premium plus extras. Heck a 1ss only weighs 23lbs less then a 2ss and that has a lot of extras.
 

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A real quick boost to your feel goods...

The GT350R's wheels weighed 18.xlbs right? That is 13lbs lighter per wheel than the GT350's. That's about 32-33lbs the 350's wheels weigh.

The Brembo wheels weighed 57lbs, the 18's were around 55lbs. That's over 20lbs per wheel from GT to GT350... That 80lbs saved from GT to GT350, then another 50 some pounds saved again. That's set to be 130lbs in wheels alone from GT to GT350R.

Now, I know a lot of weight saved will be consumed back in upgrades.. But here's the thing...

The 3705lbs more than likely consist of the PP and Recaro's (Just like the last 5 years). We have an actual GTPP with Recaro's that weigh 3720lbs, it was scaled. We know a fully loaded GTPP Premium w/ standard seats weighs 3814lbs.

We also know a base S197 GT weighed 3580lbs (PP w/ Recaro's weigh 3620lbs, C&D weighed one at 3670lbs) and a 2011-2014 Fully loaded Premium GT PP with Recaro's weighed 3750-3775lbs... So, we can pretty much determine the 3705lbs includes the PP and Recaro's because it wouldn't top out at 3814lbs with all that crap when previously, there was nearly 200lbs from bottom to top.

What does that mean? It means the weight gain from GTPP to GT350's performance equipment should be minimal... Now, the weight saved How much weight was saved in the structure? Maybe 50lbs, probably not much else... Right there we have 180lbs but that's not including any performance weight gains. The brakes should be a weight gain for sure, tires and wheels? Nope... Suspension components will be heavier but, by how much? 20-30lbs? 20lbs in the brakes... I see 130-150lbs... That doesn't mean that is all BUT, the numbers Ford gave use about the 18lbs GT350R wheels, that they were 13lbs lighter than the GT350's and the old 19's were about 57lbs...

That is some BIG savings...

Moving onto the drivetrain now? The Voodoo is suppose to be lighter, the Tremec was suppose to build this transmission to rival the Getrag's size and weight, who knows there. It is a lighter version for sure. Driveshaft? 10-20lbs? Are you excited?

Now go, spread the fear over yonder....
SO what are you thinking? 3550-3600 for the GT350, and around 3500 for the R?
 

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Rough math based on assumptions and rumors...

Rumor: gt350 compression is 12.5:1
Assumption: Voodoo performance graphs follow a patterns that resembles the Roadrunner's

If these two above are correct, with some rough math you may get to 573HP. I've tryed it with various combinations and always get to the same numbers.
Obviously, this is very rough and does not account for added fricion/heat losses and other dynamics.

Displacement. 5.2/5=1.04
Compression. 12.5/11= 1.1364
Boss rpm. 7500
Voodoo rpm. 8200
Rpm. 8200/7500=1.0933
Boss HP. 444

444x1.04x1.1364x1.0933 =

Voodoo HP. 574HP
 
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12.5 compression, so that means no boost ever right? This sucks for those whom get bored easily. I know this wasn't the purpose of the car, but it is always nice to know you can up the ante if you want to lol
 

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12.5 compression, so that means no boost ever right? This sucks for those whom get bored easily. I know this wasn't the purpose of the car, but it is always nice to know you can up the ante if you want to lol

FI is not the be all-end all of performance.

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I really, really, really *really* #really dislike it when people, in a discussion about more power, the default first answer is "throw a XYZ on it and call it done".
 

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I really, really, really *really* #really dislike it when people, in a discussion about more power, the default first answer is "throw a XYZ on it and call it done".
Really?

Lol, I agree. No, I really do.
 

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12.5 compression, so that means no boost ever right? This sucks for those whom get bored easily. I know this wasn't the purpose of the car, but it is always nice to know you can up the ante if you want to lol
If it runs on pump gas you can go to FI and E85. .. If E85 is available near you. Who knows - typically FI can be added even to higher compression engines. The Coyote is relatively high compression but people add a lot of boost.

I for one will have a LOT of trouble ever fully utilizing the 500+ stock HP.

If I got bored I would just sell and go to the next faster car. It's a lot to spend going with FI. I'd rather buy something that already makes the power I want. When you start upping the power it's one thing after another that can break.
 
 




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