Euro NCAP 2 STAR safety rating!!

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NCAP mark cars down for not having nanies but are then happy for the infotainment systems to get more and more complicated (with internet etc), which are increasingly distracting people, meaning their eyes are not on the road but on the infotainment system.

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Or just don't buy one if you're scared about some dodgey safety rating from an even dogier 'independent body'

Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

2 stars is a shit rating for a new car.

I won't be putting my little one in the back of one anytime soon.

euroncap said .... " The driver's head had 'bottomed out' the airbag i.e. there was insufficient pressure in the airbag to prevent the head from contacting the steering wheel through the deflated airbag material. The head of the passenger dummy also bottomed out the airbag against the dashboard, owing to insufficient inflation of the airbag and inadequate restraint "

" The head bottomed out the side curtain airbag, making contact, through the deflated airbag material, with the trim on the C pillar. Consequently, all points were lost for the 10 year dummy in this test "

 

[Manders Mustang]

Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

2 stars is a shit rating for a new car.

I won't be putting my little one in the back of one anytime soon.

euroncap said .... " The driver's head had 'bottomed out' the airbag i.e. there was insufficient pressure in the airbag to prevent the head from contacting the steering wheel through the deflated airbag material. The head of the passenger dummy also bottomed out the airbag against the dashboard, owing to insufficient inflation of the airbag and inadequate restraint "

" The head bottomed out the side curtain airbag, making contact, through the deflated airbag material, with the trim on the C pillar. Consequently, all points were lost for the 10 year dummy in this test "

2stars is the rating the extra nanies got, the bloody safety 3+ stared which is pretty average for a rear of a sports car. If they tested them.. ever.. WHICH THEY DONT. urgh. :frusty:

 

[MSS434]

Wow this thread just keeps going. there seems to be more against the NCAP rating than for it.

I got a reply from Ford today so thought I'd share

Just a bit of history first, I cancelled my order a few weeks ago now after issues with the "Child" part of the safety rating mainly (not so much the other bits)

Not sure if I mentioned in my previous post but Ford were very good actually and after a bit of complaining, the dealer rang me back 1 hour later and processed me a refund for my £1000.

Anyway I followed up with email to ford re the 18 Model. Really because I've waited so long to buy one and wanted to see what they'd do about it for this model. My questions were really about, airbags, and seatbelt tensioners in rear etc.

This is what they sent back:

Thank you for your patience, I have received a response from our Brand department in relation to your questions.

Unfortunately, there is no available information regarding pre-tensioners and load limiters in the rear seats or the vehicle airbags currently.

I have not been advised when or whether this information will be released, however I have requested that if possible to be made aware when this information will be made publicly available.

I have been informed that we will endeavour to have the 2018 specification Mustang retested prior to release to ensure our customers have all the necessary information to hand before making a purchase.

I apologise that I am unable to provide the information you were looking for, however if I receive any feedback I will look to contact you direct.

I have updated your case for reference.

I'll be honest... I didn't expect them to say much but I hope this means they'll be testing the 18 straight away so I can get my order in early!

Just also wanted to say, that those thinking, do I cancel or not.... I've waited so long.... but surely its just the Europeans deliberately sabotaging it....do I like the 18 model...it will be more expensive...nobody has died (yet)...I tried justifying it all ways. The reality is you have to go on evidence you have and your attitude to risk rather than anything else or heresay

 

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People who make statements that the Mustang is a 2-Star ****box really should go thru the actual crash test data. Despite the air bag deployment issue and the head contacting the dash and steering wheel, the actual HIC (Head Injury Criterion) is lower than many cars rated at 5-Stars. I posted some information earlier in this thread.

The other thing is that although Mustang has been subjected to the rear passenger tests other cars like the Hyundia Velostor have not. Also, the rear crash test dummies are now of larger size than previous NCAP test regimes. So, there is no basis for comparison. Volvo with their latest XC90 also had a problem with airbag deployment in the rear compartment but no big deal seems to be made about that.

Mustang is at worst a 4-Star car for crash ratings - it's the lack of electronic driver assists that brought down its final rating.

The good thing to come out of the NCAP testing is that Ford will take notice and make sure the 2018 is a 5-Star car. Hopefully they'll address the airbag deployment as that seems to be a calibration issue.

 

[Centurion07]

The whole debacle in a nutshell ^.

 

[Spider]

Just a short point here as this thread just goes to show how information can be manipulated to suit by organisations/media/bloggers/posters

It's obvious that the Mustang has some crash test failings regardless of the way you view the test but if the customers that cancel orders are so risk averse then why the hell did they put a deposit in a 300-400 bhp rwd fastback in the first place?

 

[Centurion07]

Another good point well made.

 

[v8hgt]

Our 2003 Volvo S60 family car is coming up for replacement soon and we are looking at getting a cross over car as they are easier to load small children in and out of with baby /child seats. Obviously we want something modern and safe as it will be carrying the kids 90% of all journeys. Hence we are looking at the ncap ratings obviously as this is exactly the type of car the ratings are designed for. You may be interested to note the new Hyundai Tucson Got 5 stars from Ncap in 2015 and according to ncap has pretensioners and load limiters in the rear seats. I have pasted all items in the online brochure under the safety heading of the most popular SE spec so you can draw your own conclusions, but I was staggered to discover the seatbelt pretensioners are only fitted to the front seats. Yet one year later a car with occasional rear seats was marked down for this oversight. I wonder how many other '5 star' FAMILY cars have similar massive safety concerns and should be immediately re rated by ncap?
Obviously the tech fitted to various trim levels in different markets changes, so should NCAp be forced to test the base trim instead in the interest of consumer safety?

6 Airbags - Front, Front Seat Side & Curtain Airbags
Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD)
Active Bonnet System
Brake Assist System (BAS)
Childproof Rear Door Locks
Curtain Airbag Rollover Sensor
Deadlocks
Downhill Brake Control (DBC)
Electronic Stability Programme (ESP)
Emergency Stop Signal (ESS)
Front Passenger Airbag De-activation Switch
Height Adjustable Front Seatbelts
Hill-start Assist Control (HAC)
Immobiliser
ISOfix Child Seat Anchorage Points - Rear (outer seats only)
Lane Departure Warning System with Lane Keep Assist
Locking Wheel Nuts
Perimeter Alarm
Remote Central Locking with Alarm
Seatbelt Anchor Pre-tensioners - Front
Seatbelt Reminder - Front & Rear
Speed Sensitive Automatic Door Locking
Trailer Stability Assist (TSA)
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) with Individual Tyre Display
Vehicle Stability Management (VSM)

 

[MSS434]

People who make statements that the Mustang is a 2-Star ****box really should go thru the actual crash test data. Despite the air bag deployment issue and the head contacting the dash and steering wheel, the actual HIC (Head Injury Criterion) is lower than many cars rated at 5-Stars. I posted some information earlier in this thread.

The other thing is that although Mustang has been subjected to the rear passenger tests other cars like the Hyundia Velostor have not. Also, the rear crash test dummies are now of larger size than previous NCAP test regimes. So, there is no basis for comparison. Volvo with their latest XC90 also had a problem with airbag deployment in the rear compartment but no big deal seems to be made about that.

Mustang is at worst a 4-Star car for crash ratings - it's the lack of electronic driver assists that brought down its final rating.

The good thing to come out of the NCAP testing is that Ford will take notice and make sure the 2018 is a 5-Star car. Hopefully they'll address the airbag deployment as that seems to be a calibration issue.

No-one said it was a shoebox... I agree the papers/articles aren't always subjective but when are they ever fair and unbiased!!
People just have concerns over their kids. And many people like me started the conversation with, "not bothered about the electronic nannies". Many people upgrading their child seats because of it as they are concerned.

The rating would be a 3, not a 4 because of child safety.

Interesting point as to why I got a refund so easily? Manufacturers and dealers love giving back money??!

In terms of why would on earth did I consider buying a mustang in the first place as it's RWD and high horsepower and a great safety rating in America... well clearly I didn't think there was an issue as none of those factors indicate my child isn't safe for when he may travel in the car.

You're right on the lesson learned for the 18, I really hope so!

 

[v8hgt]

A bit more manual / brochure reading suggests the current Kia Sportage is similarly flawed while the 2017 be Tiguan does have these safety features.

So focusing on child safety only the results are:
Hyundai Tucson 85%
Kia Sportage 83%
Vw Tiguan 84%


All three are current models in the UK, all three were tested in the last 2 yrs.

I can only conclude that rear pre tensionors and load limiters are of zero benefit for child safety and therefore my mustang would not benefit from having them installed.
It should also be noted that the Kia and Hyundai are the same basic car with only styling and trim changes yet there is a 2% difference in child safety. Strange no?

So what have I learnt today? Well NCAp ratings should always be referenced by year and that years results applied to the release date of the car for the purposes of comparison. E.g ncap 2015 - Hyundai Tucson 2015
NCAP 2016 - vw Tiguan 2016

Using ncap 2017 on a mustang 2015 is meaningless.

Also seatbelt pretensioners and load limiters in rear seats have only come about in the last yr or so in the safest of family cars.

 

[Matrix2020]

If people are that worried about their children in the back of cars then so be it, they are perfectly entitled to that, but don't then buy any car that has not been tested by E-NCAP.... i.e. all sports 2+2 cars!! And most fast cars! If safety is that important they should buy a different type of car, with all of the 'options' fitted, otherwise you are not getting the safety you thought you were. We all knew it did not come with some the nannies, and loads of other crash tested cars have had issues with air bags but obviously we are only digging into the Mustang report in detail because everyone likes it and the hype over 2* which is all about the lack of nannies. I am comfortable that if the airbag was a significant issue it would have been recalled, US companies are more than aware of legal challenges to known faults!!
The sad thing is that E-NCAP changes the goalposts every year so nobody can say a 5* is valid beyond the year of test.

 

[RSPEC-015]

Just a short point here as this thread just goes to show how information can be manipulated to suit by organisations/media/bloggers/posters.

I think Euro NCAP & ANCAP here in Oz have a lot to answer for.

They have come out with statements which cannot be backed by looking at the facts. The ANCAP chief here mentioned "serious risk of head injury" yet the HIC results are well within ANCAP's acceptable range.

I must admit if Mustang had of got a 4 or 5-Star rating I would have been chuffed and wouldn't have given it another thought but the low rating actually encouraged me to check the crash data as I couldn't (didn't want to?) believe it was as bad as the sensationalist pundits made out.

I checked the results of our family SUV, a Ford Territory which was a 5-Star car 3 years ago, and the Mustang outperformed it in the frontal offset test. Rear passengers in the Territory were not tested. On the road the Terri, a 2.7L TDCI Diesel AWD, feels as solid as a rock.

Over here, the bad publicity hasn't had any negative impact, a couple have been cancelled and some have cancelled as they want the features of the MY18 model. I haven't come across anyone in the Australia local section who has cancelled based on safety ratings.

What are things like over there?

 

[Centurion07]

Over here, the bad publicity hasn't had any negative impact, a couple have been cancelled and some have cancelled as they want the features of the MY18 model. I haven't come across anyone in the Australia local section who has cancelled based on safety ratings.

What are things like over there?

That's because most of you Aussies are like this bloke (both the commentator and the guy in the vid!):

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As for what things are like over here; you can see from this thread that some people are not only crying into their cereal about the irrelevant NCAP ratings but are actually cancelling their orders having not fully understood the tests carried out and how the Mustang actually fares against other cars.

I call it like I see it, what can I say?

 

[Manders Mustang]

That's because most of you Aussies are like this bloke (both the commentator and the guy in the vid!):



As for what things are like over here; you can see from this thread that some people are not only crying into their cereal about the irrelevant NCAP ratings but are actually cancelling their orders having not fully understood the tests carried out and how the Mustang actually fares against other cars.

I call it like I see it, what can I say?

Sparked the 'roo, got him rocking lol!

But yes, it seems some are throwing their toys out the pram for a rating that.... means nothing.

Just look at how they test the cars for one, it's a test, therefore controlled environment. 99% of the time those situations wont happen on the road.

My mum was in a 40+ car pile up many years back, she was in an escort (the car, not a hooker), she was smack bang in the middle of the pile up with about 15-20 cars continuously going into the back of the Escort, she's walked out not only alive but with Minor back issues (Now sorted as this was 10-15 years ago), and had whiplash.

Does NCAP test for when 15 cars go into the back of you?? For pile ups? for rolling down a hill? :shrug:. It's as it is, a test, to attempt to compare cars on a fair and level playing field, and it fails at doing that.

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