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That's complete bunk. I've used 3M Scotchgard on my last 7 vehicles and never had issues. Of course it won't look as good as a shiny new paint job, but the protection is magnitudes beyond anything else available especially if you do a considerable amount of highway or winter driving. Some...

Pill, I hope your US vs EU weight breakdown holds true and I'm definitely looking forward to a thread dedicated to weight. There may just be hope yet...

Well said and am completely in agreement, but from the other posts we may just be in the minority.

Trust me, you don't have to convince me that BMW is no longer price competitive; I agree completely. There is no question the Mustang will be a significant performer (and attractive to boot) at its price point. Ford did many things right with the 2015, but for me I have always been weight...

I'm patient. I'll wait until a lightweight RWD vehicle comes around in a competitive price range...the FR-S/BRZ was a good start and the Nissan Z may be next. Perhaps Ford will offer a lightweight (lighter) version at some point.

It's more the mentality of the industry (and many buyers who put up with it) than a personal attack on the engineers. Whether you like the statement or not, Ford likely did not meet many peoples' concerns about weight or we would not be having such discussions. This is a much better example of...

BMW lost weight this year. And yes, I am not a fan of manufacturers who consistently increase mass, not due to safety constraints, but for gadgets and cost savings. You can ignore mass increase all you want, but your cost of ownership goes up considerably (tires, brakes, fuel, overall...

Looks like I'll be holding off on a Mustang if these numbers are correct. There is no excuse for a weight increase with today's improved materials and techniques to reduce mass/increase stiffness. This is a sign of auto manufacturers (US particularly with the trifecta of bloat) becoming lazy...

At a conservative 15% drivetrain loss, you are looking at about 455 BHP. What are people using for 11-14 Mustang drivetrain losses? This also doesn't take into account dyno calibration, etc. but still very impressive.

On the list: 2015 Mustang GT w/ PP - if weight is reasonable, this will likely be it 2015 Hyundai Genesis Coupe - depends on weight and gadget overload 2016 Nissan Z - two seater will be a hard sell for me, but if performance is amazing we shall see... 2015 BMW M2 - not holding my breath as the...

The cheapest M235i build I could make was with a vinyl (or whatever plastic they use) interior called Sensatec (no cloth!?), white exterior (all other colors add $500), and sadly I don't get a discount when selecting manual transmission. The total with transport was $44025, base MSRP is $43100...

Ahh BMW continues to disappoint. I've been following the M235i as well, but for a 174" car, it's 3550 lb (MT estimated) -- and of course, it comes with an equally bloated price close to $45K. For me, the S550 is still the front runner provided they can eliminate some weight.

Don't be silly, of course it is a performance vehicle. If you want to play the semantics game then we can nit pick the specifics of performance, but either way, the Mustang is a capable machine on the track whether it's a 1/4 mile strip or a road course.

Anyone who focuses on the reduced back seat of a performance car is automatically disqualified.

I'm definitely a fan of a warmer yellow, especially on cars (school bus and spanish yellow are good examples of this). IMO, the euro cars have the right yellow and I'm surprised the market here has never really embraced many yellow, orange, and copper variants. It's interesting how US parking...

How about throwing schoolbus yellow (FFD800) on there also?

Incorrect. I may likely buy a 2015 Mustang as it is currently on my short list. Life is all about compromises and I may just have to deal with additional weight, but it doesn't mean I can't be vocal about it and push for an even better next generation.

So here's my short rant. Cars today *are* bloated...yes, even the new M4. Average sized vehicles should not be close to 3000 lb. As much as we would like to claim the weight increase is all due to increasing safety standards to feel good about the extra fat, that's not it. 1) Engineering...

Good points about loss of privacy and all the more reason not to get it. Like I said earlier, if it was designed with opensource in mind, that's an entirely different story...and we all know the chances of that happening.

I'm all for opensource and allowing the community to code the best programs, but I'm very skeptical and am guessing the library will be limited to a handful of apps similar to the original version -- meaning it *may* be a hodge podge of the usual supported apps, some new bells and whistles, and...