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I don't think there are enough changes to the refresh to justify being 3 months late. The problem I see will be the timing on the Camaro refresh for 2019. If they are made available in August of next year, it's reducing the exposure on the better performing Mustang before the "possibly" improved...

I have a 17 Camaro and am very interested in the 2018 Mustang, but I must say that Ford screwed the pooch on this one. This is nothing in terms of the actual car, but the fact that virtually nothing will be available this year. I also don't understand why there has not been any mule or demo cars...

Does anyone know if the 2018 coyote has upgraded oil pump gears?

The best deal I could get on a 17 Ruby Red Base GT PP was $35,900 OTD in California. Only 1 dealer could come in at that. Everyone else was $36,500 and up. The GT cars actually sell fairly well out here. There is a huge inventory of V6 and Ecoboost cars out here. Major bummer because I really...

I'm actually going to lease. I can get into a lease on both cars for virtually identical amounts over the 36 month term. The only problem is the Camaro I would be getting has an msrp of $3600 more. It's a better value.

I've already ran it by them and it won't help. I think I'm in the same position Bam Bam was in. Ford will lose another deal to Chevy. I've always been a die hard GM fan, but this time I wanted to give Ford a shot. The new Mustang is a really good car. It's a shame I won't be able to move forward...

My local dealer cannot get it to work. I received an eCertificate number without ant issue, but for some reason Ford corporate does not acknowledge it. It's disappointing because it will put a stop to the deal. If they can't make it happen I will end up in a Camaro (it will end up being a better...

Did it work even if they did not do to the show?

I test drove both cars today and the Camaro definitely felt stronger (especially down low). I still like and want the mustang, but the shifter still needs work.

So, everything was confirmed over the phone yesterday afternoon on a car that was just delivered. I go in today to sign away and they have pulled back on their deal and expect me to an extra $31 a month. So I left. I have never had this happen. I have always been a GM guy and after what happened...

After some more waiting, I have one dealer offering $4960 off. It didn't take much haggling, just waiting. 80% of the phone calls were made on their behalf The auto industry has slowed, and will probably continue to. I think I may be moving forward on a new mustang.

Thanks for the help. I emailed them some of the listings and not one dealer seemed to care. $36,500 is the best offer I have received so far on a 17 Ruby Red Base GT PP W/ Reverse Sensing System. Others were close at $37,000. Another sales manager from the same dealer that gave me the lowest...

I'm not sure if a dealer in California will match an offer from Georgia. The sad part is I work out of Northwest Georgia quite frequently and can probably have the car shipped from there and still be into it less than buying it outright here.

How so? Everything on Autotrader.com is just offering $1000 off.

Unfortunately, I think they're going to have to do a little better than that. I am looking for an OTD price of $35K for a car with a sticker of $36,210 (Ruby Red GT PP). I know this is a fair price in CA. This $1000 off would put the dealer and I roughly $1000 apart. I'm wondering if they will...

I'm in the same boat. Ford is offering nothing and I've always been a GM guy. I am looking at a Camaro or Mustang. I know I would be happy with either car. I can get a better deal on the Camaro and the local Ford dealers don't seem to care. I am looking for a 2017 Ruby Red GT PP. I am trying to...