IOW, you're not particularly interested in developing any more skill or demanding anything more on your part than is minimally necessary. Can you explain how that's a good thing?I don't want a 1 trick pony (Hellcat). I hope it blows the doors off a GT350 on the strip and at the track, even if it's only for a few laps - like the Porsche Turbo & GT2 are capable of quicker lap times than the more pure Porsche GT3 track-focused car.
It wouldn't surprise me to see an auto or DCT car in a halo Mustang since eventually manual transmissions will become obsolete and only in demand by a small group of purists, since DCT & Autos are more comfortable, less of a hassle, and quicker than a standard manual.
I've driven a GT3 and F430 with the paddle shifters very aggressively on a road course and I agree a manual transmission is a lot more enjoyable. I have no problem with Ford offering an auto or DCT, but I won't be a buyer.Please don't suggest that just because Ferrari, Lamborghini, (mostly) Porsche, and others have moved in that direction it's a good thing simply because that's what they did. That only says you're carrying around more envy than you know what to do with. For the record, I've driven cars from all three of the above-identified makes in paddle-shifted form - very briefly, but very hard - and they all felt that missing a clutch pedal constituted a net loss to the experience.
YES!!?? More details please! This is what I've been holding off for.The 2018 GT350 is getting a 7 speed dual-clutch??
DCTs are faster than manual transmissions, are more engaging than traditional "old-school" automatics, and are the way of the future. Look at any stats on manual transmission sales, they are quite bad and getting worse.IOW, you're not particularly interested in developing any more skill or demanding anything more on your part than is minimally necessary. Can you explain how that's a good thing?
Please don't suggest that just because Ferrari, Lamborghini, (mostly) Porsche, and others have moved in that direction it's a good thing simply because that's what they did. That only says you're carrying around more envy than you know what to do with. For the record, I've driven cars from all three of the above-identified makes in paddle-shifted form - very briefly, but very hard - and they all felt that missing a clutch pedal constituted a net loss to the experience.
All that said, I will give you your "quicker" claim, even though that's really irrelevant in almost all of the driving miles you'll ever do. As long as you'll agree that being more involved in the details of driving isn't necessarily a bad thing. Fair enough?
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I read it not too long ago. Not from a junk site, i just cant remember where. I pray that its true because it paves the way for the gt500 getting itWhere did you read about a 2018 gt350 let alone a dual clutch?
Either a DCT or a conventional AT shifts faster than I can, but there isn't any situation in my driving where having power to the tires an extra fraction of a second at a time matters. Kind of makes it a theoretical advantage only, and I'm not the sort of guy who'd ever use that as a "bragging point", which is all that remains. I've driven a couple of DCT cars, and if that ends up being the only alternative to AT's and CVT's I'd really rather the up/down shifting be done more like the + and - positions in current AT shift patterns that have a "manual" gate (more or less like what's on my granddaughter's new-to-her Veloster) than on the paddles.DCTs are faster than manual transmissions, are more engaging than traditional "old-school" automatics, and are the way of the future.
As a general trend, the MT share of sales has been dropping since the 1950's. But that's little more than the display of a popularity poll - what most people other than me either prefer or don't. And I've always been comfortable going my own way, whether it lines up with what other people prefer, goes directly against that, or falls somewhere in between.Look at any stats on manual transmission sales, they are quite bad and getting worse.
I'm going to pause you here, just to note that even on a road course (the only kind of place where I do push the car as close to either its limits or my own) I'm still not looking for fractions of a second from anything other than what I can extract through my own driving and chassis tuning abilities. Maybe if I was running in moderately high-level timed competition I would, but I don't see that ever happening.There's no denying that manual transmissions are "more engaging" and "involved", which makes driving more fun when you're not driving the limit
Those thoughts do cross my mind, and I do wonder if I'll at least be able to avoid hybrids. I'm old enough (69) and keep cars long enough (18 year average time to disposal) to where I probably will be able to avoid autonomous cars. But if I can still buy one or maybe two more conventional MT cars I'll at least be doing my part in helping to extend their availability.To make matters worse, the writing is probably on the wall for NA cars, non-hybrids, as well as driving them ourselves...
It's pretty amusing because the rumors originated right here on this site. Basically there was a post here that had some internal Ford documents. Road & Track looked at the documents associated with the post and their editors were convinced they were legit. The post has since been removed; I never personally saw it.The 2018 GT350 is getting a 7 speed dual-clutch??