Science is now cancelled?

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The best thing about Al Gore = Love Story
Damn, I forgot about that one...

Yes, I believe humans are having an impact on our planet and climate (none of it good), but possibly Al's "The earth has a fever" blather was from all his hot air...





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Al Gore is literally the embodiment of what is wrong with climate change. Provides intentional misleading data, for 'shock factor.' The dude went to college and majored in government and then journalism before getting heavily involved in politics. Dude has been in politics since he was 17. I know the people who are involved in the student government at my college and they are repugnant. Just seeing it first hand, it honestly doesn't surprise me the dumbshit he says.

Never conducted an experiment, never even published a paper, and doesn't even know how to read a scientific paper. Just says what people want to hear, to gain votes and support. Just uses climate change as a crutch for politician gain which actually does more harm than good. You can see the bias from a mile away. I wish people like him didn't have such a large megaphone and media presence. Failure at all levels imo.

Give it 10 years and Gerta Thunberg will replace him.
100%
Its actually funny that the ”sceptics” point at people like Gore as evidence for the failures of science.
It shows us that they aren’t able to attack the relevant fields of scientific enquiry, so instead they shoot the (presumably well-intentioned) messengers instead.

Thunberg makes my blood boil.
She uses emotion rather than reason to make her point.
I don’t care how you feel sweetie, I care about the evidence.
She is doing more harm than good IMO.
She’s basically a political activist dressed up as some sort of messiah.

The intriguing part of all this is that the “sceptics” will often point at someone like Gore or Thunberg as evidence for the failures of science (neither are scientists as you’ve pointed out) as they start quoting Patrick Moore (not a scientist) as if he has a better grasp of it all.
He too is nothing more than a political activist. The only real difference being that he is funded by those who seek to obfuscate facts.
 

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It shows us that they aren’t able to attack the relevant fields of scientific enquiry, so instead they shoot the (presumably well-intentioned) messengers instead.
Any of these non-scientific often ill-informed messengers has their own agenda and they become lightning rods for any opposing views, all of which creates drama that the media feeds on, perpetuating the digression from the facts and reasonable debate. The media-induced drama becomes the prime story rather than the issue at hand.
 

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Hello; I may be off track and apologize ahead of time if any of you who post in this thread are actual climate scientists. I get that Gore and Gretta are celebs and are just parroting the actual climate scientists work. Is this not the same thing many of you on this thread have been doing?
If you have done original work it might be helpful to point this out when you post.

Not clear to me if Mr. Gore was citing different scientists than you guys do. Back a decade or few he made some claims which have been proved incorrect. I am fairly sure Greta is using stuff from current scientists. I have watched some PBS TV programs featuring Greta recently.

For your sakes I do hope you have not been citing the same scientists that Gore did. Such would make your sources questionable. I get we are not supposed to question the findings any more, but it is experiences with Mr. Gore and others like him which do make it tough to not have some doubts.

I do not question some warming is being recorded currently so am not going there. I mostly question the notion that human activity is the greater part of the cause of this warming. That leads to questions of what will be the value of the somewhat drastic changes in lifestyles will be. Not going to get into that right now.
 
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I get that Gore and Gretta are celebs and are just parroting the actual climate scientists work.
That’s the problem. They aren’t always quoting the scientific consensus and its utterly infuriating to the rest of us.
Gore goes “off script” more times Than I can even count.
 
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Not clear to me if Mr. Gore was citing different scientists than you guys do. Back a decade or few he made some claims which have been proved incorrect.
At times he makes assertions that are supported by the scientific consensus.
At other times he most certainly isn’t.
It’s his “off label” rants that provide ammunition to the “sceptics” as they proclaim....“see, they don’t know anything” after HIS predictions (plucked from thin air) don’t come to fruition.
 
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... are celebs and are just parroting the actual climate scientists work. Is this not the same thing many of you on this thread have been doing?
No, I'm not a climate scientist, nor do I play one on TV, nor am I an activist promoting an agenda and cherry-picking findings (often out of context) to support my claims or desired actions.
I just run IT for a company, which doesn't make me right in most debates, but it should indicate that I at least have some modicum of reasoning and critical thinking (unless I'm thinking of Lilith...)
With any complex issue there will always be fanatics and BS on the fringe of either consolidated camp; ignore those and focus on the facts. Those facts aren't your answer, instead they are your basis for forming intelligent questions and determining the necessary actions, with measurable results, that will enable you to achieve your desired purpose, the "why" of it all.
[note that "you" and "your" are generic and are not targeted to anyone in this thread (unless that's what they want to infer, and then that's their problem)]
The process isn't difficult, it's just logical thinking and strategic planning.
The difficulty with the complex issue of climate change (same goes for religion and politics) is that many choose to ignore the facts or take them out context and drive their own agenda of desired actions; if you can't reach consensus on the facts or desired outcome, then you can't determine the efficient path and effective actions to achieve that outcome.
Naw, let's argue about minutia, tangential irrelevant factoids, or how many freaking angels can fit on the head of a pin... no wonder we can't get things done.
Gee, I feel better now...think I'll go looking for a Lilith. (Hmmm, great title for a song, Looking for a Lilith...)
 

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Took me a minute to remember which song I was after...
"… An' I say, "Aw, come on, now
You know you know about my debutante"
An' she says, "Your debutante just knows what you need
But I know what you want"

I'm thinkin' that Bob had a thing for Lilith too.
hey, @RDPBlueMoon, I just thought of another Dylan song that is sometimes applicable in this thread...
Idiot Wind
 
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Gore getting it wrong in “An inconvenient truth”

vs.

Durkin deliberately fudging graphs and carefully editing responses to suit his agenda in his film “The great global warming swindle”.

Both of these men represent the worst of it on either side. Personally, I take more offence with Durkin‘s approach because he can’t even pretend that he didn’t know he was lying to his audience.

One aims to promote understanding but misleads the audience, whether through misunderstanding or otherwise I can’t say. Durkin blatantly misleads the audience with his fake graphs and editing skills and hopes the audience won’t notice, because despite calling themselves “sceptics”, most of his audience would’ve swallowed Durkin’s BS without bothering to check his facts.

Sceptical my arse.

 
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And this is what happens when you combine the media with politicians and amateur interpretations of data.

Anyone who thinks NOAA faked data can now rethink their position.

 
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And then there’s this one, because there’s nothing I enjoy more than watching a bunch of conspiracy theorists fail dismally in their amateurish attempts to disprove that which is well established.

Short version:
Anthony Watts recruits people to take note of weather stations across the US that aren’t “optimally located”, thereby reducing the number of weather sations from 1221 down to the 70 stations that the amateurs felt were “adequate“.
NOAA runs the data for both data-sets. Virtually no difference is shown.
I’m guessing you won’t find the results of this experiment on Anthony‘s “Watts up with that” denial website.

The lesson being that amateurs should maybe just shut up and listen when experts speak, instead of investing time and effort into showing how silly they really are.
Or, just stop listening to meteorologists on topics they clearly have no credentials in.

 

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good thing you are sterile.
I understand he did that for the same reason I did. Makes sure an otherwise well earned Darwin award won't add insult to injury.
 

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