PP brake pad temp range?

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    Anyone know what the optimum and max temp range is for the stock PP pads? Thinking of changing to the Hawk Street Race pads, which have nice specs on paper and are very reasonably priced, but don't want it to be a step backward from the stock pads, which are surprisingly good. Got just a slight hint of fade on my last trip to VIR, so looking for a slight upgrade without going to a dedicated race pad. Thx
     
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    I don't know the temperature range but I do know that I read some pretty terrible reviews on Hawk pads recently when shopping for new ones myself this year. I'd consider something else since Hawk seems to have fallen behind others on the market these days.

    I went with Power Stop Trackday pads for a combo of autox/trackday use.
     
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    How do you like them? Planning on getting a set.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback. I ran Hawk HP+, DTC-30 and DTC-60 over the last few years on my Focus ST with no problems. They each behaved exactly as I expected them to. What are people saying about them? (and which pad on what car for what use, since they make a bunch of different ones.)
     
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    x2 for Powerstop Track Day pads. Running them on my car that sees both daily street duty and monthly HPDE. The pads have been holding up to track abuse just fine. No loss in stopping power after repeated 20 min sessions. Initial bite is not as strong as the stock pads, but torque is linear throughout pedal travel which makes for predictable braking behavior on track. On the street they will occasionally squeal on slow stops, but not loud enough to be annoying. Completely daily friendly. Cold temp bite is actually not bad either.

    The stock pads were decent for an occasional track day, but if you plan on frequent trips... highly recommend the power stops. I ended up melting the stock pads which trashed the rotors.
     
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    #6 SteveW, Mar 8, 2018
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    I don't have a whole lot of seat time with them yet. I was hoping for more bite since i can't seem to train my leg to push hard enough quickly enough to get into abs consistently during autox runs with stock pads. Not sure these have the bite that i am looking for but we'll see.

    However, my fiance used the car in an autox related driving school last weekend and loved the brakes during her 85 mph threshold braking blasts. I had my own students in another group but for a while all i heard was her ripping through the gears up and down the track pit lane letting the coyote sing, lol.

    Edit: I bought the pads from Rockauto.
     
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    Thanks. Planning on doing the same as their prices are awesome. Been looking at them for a month or so.
     
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    Wow, that is a great price. Thanks for the heads up!
     
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    From what I have read, they have very corrosive dust. The stopping power is not in question. Damaging your wheels and paint, is.

    So these powerstop track pads are decent? How do they compare to something like GLOC. What range would they fall into? Sorry for the hijack.
     
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    EBC brakes also have extremely corrosive dust.
     
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    After all the stories I've read about EBC brakes, I wouldn't trust them on a lawnmower.
     
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    I've used Powerstop Track Day. Impressive for the price. The dust was corrosive to my wheel finish, though, and would NOT clean off.

    I've switched to G-LOC (12 and 10s) and I've also tried Carbotech (10s and 8s).

    I know the G-LOC brake dust has done no harm to my wheels, even not cleaning them for a week or two after a track event. So that is what I stick with. I get them from OPMustang.com. Not cheap, but real great pads.
     
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    No need to apologize, as this is exactly the discussion I'd hoped we'd get. :cheers:
     
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    That is very unfortunate to hear regarding the corrosiveness. That is unacceptable. I was about to pull the trigger on the GLOCs, but they are so goddamn expensive, and I hear they have their own set of disadvantages.
     
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    I may sealant/coat my wheels then. Just in case.
     
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    [MENTION=16275]SteveW[/MENTION] [MENTION=24801]AlbertD[/MENTION] what say you about the dust corrosiveness?
     
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    I don't think that will help, unless the coating can repel high velocity bits of ferrous material. That is the drawback of aggressive metallic pads. The dust itself is metallic and it embeds itself into the paint, kind of like rail dust.
     
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    Some claim to be able to. Will have to do some more research.
     
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    I normally only wash my car once a month... so by the time I finally get a chance to wash it the wheels are caked in brake dust. I haven't had an issue with getting the brake dust off nor have noticed any substantial effects to the wheel finish.

    I would take my experience with a grain of salt though... my wheels are plain ole black and I'm not the cars and coffee type so I couldn't care less of how the wheel finish looks.
     
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    Yeah, I may bite the bullet and try. My wheels are not super expensive either so worst case, I have them blasted and repainted.
     
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