Mach 1 Gas Guzzler Tax

[ChitownStang]

I completely understand, no worries.

I just think it's BS that some guys are getting nailed with the GGT, and others with the same configured vehicle are not.

When I first started seeing the GGT on some window stickers, it seemed like those I was finding were on the MT82, but then I saw some on the 10R80's. Then I saw some with same transmissions with no GTT.

I'm looking at a sticker now and there is no GTT; it's an M1 w/ the 10R80 and the 700A package, and sticker production date I'm seeing is 03/16/21. That is the only date seen at bottom of Window Sticker under the "Ford Credit" block.

Maybe folks can post up their window sticker dates and that might lead to the "why"? Just not sure.

If this GGT is a "whoops" on Ford's part (should never have been on the Window Sticker) and they have been informed of it or questioned of it by M1 Owners - then they should be reimbursing all M1 Owners who paid the GGT.

To me, it surely doesn't make sense that some new car M1 Buyers would be required to pay the GGT and those with the same configured vehicle would not, especially if assumed this is being applied based on how many cars were produced within X-calendar period.

It's absolute BS. Ford Performance supposedly sent my VIN to Ford to see what they will do.
I also called Ford customer service and they said they couldn't help me. Asked for supervisor to call me back and notta.
So pissed and I will not quit until I am reimbursed!

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[Mikepol2]

For those interested, here is the current GGT regulation as of 4/20/2021:

Title 40: Protection of Environment
PART 600—FUEL ECONOMY AND GREENHOUSE GAS EXHAUST EMISSIONS OF MOTOR VEHICLES
Subpart F—Procedures for Determining Manufacturer's Average Fuel Economy and Manufacturer's Average Carbon-Related Exhaust Emissions

§600.513-08 Gas Guzzler Tax.
(a) This section applies only to passenger automobiles sold after December 27, 1991, regardless of the model year of those vehicles. For alcohol dual fuel and natural gas dual fuel automobiles, the fuel economy while such automobiles are operated on gasoline will be used for Gas Guzzler Tax assessments.

(1) The provisions of this section do not apply to passenger automobiles exempted for Gas Guzzler Tax assessments by applicable Federal law and regulations. However, the manufacturer of an exempted passenger automobile may, in its discretion, label such vehicles in accordance with the provisions of this section.

(2) For 1991 and later model year passenger automobiles, the combined FTP/HFET-based model type fuel economy value determined in §600.208 used for Gas Guzzler Tax assessments shall be calculated in accordance with the following equation, rounded to the nearest 0.1 mpg:

FEadj = FE[((0.55 × ag × c) + (0.45 × c) + (0.5556 × ag) + 0.4487)/((0.55 × ag) + 0.45)] + IWg

Where:

FEadj = Fuel economy value to be used for determination of gas guzzler tax assessment rounded to the nearest 0.1 mpg.

FE = Combined model type fuel economy calculated in accordance with §600.208, rounded to the nearest 0.0001 mpg.

ag = Model type highway fuel economy, calculated in accordance with §600.208, rounded to the nearest 0.0001 mpg divided by the model type city fuel economy calculated in accordance with §600.208, rounded to the nearest 0.0001 mpg. The quotient shall be rounded to 4 decimal places.

c = gas guzzler adjustment factor = 1.300 × 10−3 for the 1986 and later model years.
IWg = (9.2917 × 10−3 × SF3IWCGFE3IWCG) − (3.5123 × 10−3 × SF4ETWG × FE4IWCG).
Note: Any calculated value of IW less than zero shall be set equal to zero.

SF3IWCG = The 3000 lb. inertia weight class sales in the model type divided by the total model type sales; the quotient shall be rounded to 4 decimal places.

SF4ETWG = The 4000 lb. equivalent test weight sales in the model type divided by the total model type sales, the quotient shall be rounded to 4 decimal places.

FE3IWCG = The 3000 lb. inertial weight class base level combined fuel economy used to calculate the model type fuel economy rounded to the nearest 0.0001 mpg.

FE4IWCG = The 4000 lb. inertial weight class base level combined fuel economy used to calculate the model type fuel economy rounded to the nearest 0.001 mpg.

(b)(1) For passenger automobiles sold after December 31, 1990, with a combined FTP/HFET-based model type fuel economy value of less than 22.5 mpg (as determined in §600.208), calculated in accordance with paragraph (a)(2) of this section and rounded to the nearest 0.1 mpg, each vehicle fuel economy label shall include a Gas Guzzler Tax statement pursuant to 49 U.S.C. 32908(b)(1)(E). The tax amount stated shall be as specified in paragraph (b)(2) of this section.

(2) For passenger automobiles with a combined general label model type fuel economy value of:

At least * * *	but less than * * *	the Gas Guzzler Tax statement shall show a tax of * * *
(i) 22.5​	​	$0​
(ii) 21.5​	22.5​	$1,000​
(iii) 20.5​	21.5​	$1,300​
(iv) 19.5​	20.5​	$1,700​
(v) 18.5​	19.5​	$2,100​
(vi) 17.5​	18.5​	$2,600​
(vii) 16.5​	17.5​	$3,000​
(viii) 15.5​	16.5​	$3,700​
(ix) 14.5​	15.5​	$4,500​
(x) 13.5​	14.5​	$5,400​
(xi) 12.5​	13.5​	$6,400​
(xii) —​	12.5​	$7,700​

[76 FR 39569, July 6, 2011]

 

[wilkinda65]

 

[Matthewstorm]

Sucks getting a manual.

 

[wilkinda65]

Nor

Sucks getting a manual.

really. I enjoy driving the manual and the $1000 is like a drop in the buck on a $60K car

 

[Matthewstorm]

Nor

really. I enjoy driving the manual and the $1000 is like a drop in the buck on a $60K car

As long at you're happy, mate.

 

[f2e524d1]

Not at all ideal but it's basically $1000 for the Tremec and $1595 for the 10R80.

 

[wilkinda65]

that's how I looked at it, more fun to me for driving and cheaper than the Auto

 

[racingandfishing]

If the gas guzzler tax was collected incorrectly, it is also likely it wasn't paid to the government. Might give the IRS a call as they are responsible for collecting it. Maybe that will get Ford's attention....of course though you will have to first get the IRS' attention and that can be a challenge.

https://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/gas-guzzler-tax

 

[ChitownStang]

Well guys, after a lot of run arounds and back and forth between Ford and EPA. I finally got a call from Ford Corporate yesterday asking me where to send my $1000 chk for reimbursement.
Persistence pays off!
After all said and done with this credit, my Mach 1 cost me $56,500 ($500 under MSRP)
I can live with that.

 

[cactus_kid]

And, being the nice guy that we all know you are ................. You are going to donate it to Lori Nobrain's re election campaign right ?

 

[ChitownStang]

And, being the nice guy that we all know you are ................. You are going to donate it to Lori Nobrain's re election campaign right ?

That crazy bitch just announced that she will only do press interviews with people of color because there's not enough colored people in the press.... WTF
If that's not racist I don't know what is.
Freakin One way street

 

[cactus_kid]

I saw that ............. Bitch is a real nut case. Oh well, the hood voted for her. They got what they wanted.

 

[raidernixon]

I don't think I have a case to argue for any money back on the tax...lol (these are manual track numbers - on the highway it is actually getting 23 pretty easily)

 

[ChitownStang]

I don't think I have a case to argue for any money back on the tax...lol (these are track numbers - on the highway it is actually getting 23 pretty easily)

LOL... You must t be doing it right!
Did you get charged the Tax on the A10?

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