Lead on an R.... Price?

[Voo Doo]

I say if you can afford it....do it!! So many here on site are buying GTsnd dumping 10-20G's into them with major mods!! Will they ever recoup their investments....hell no!!

Man up!! If you love this car and you want this car......as Arnie would say....
"Just do eeet "!!!!

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[Shift]

I doubt all those dealer's have that on hand. Some may even enjoy giving it to you sans vase.

 

[tuckerware]

To be fair, an R can be a little bit like buying a house. If you bought a house in 2006 at the market peak the values a few years later were awful in comparison. But 10 years later, at least in my market, values are higher than they were then. Paper losses vs. actual losses are very different and all a matter of timing.

If you only want to keep it for a couple years and pay over $100K, I doubt you will recoup that "investment". But, if this is a car that you will be hanging on to it will likely appreciate in the long run. Just look at what a Ford GT sells for these days. Or a 993 911 Turbo. Modern classics for sure with values to match.

At the same time, a lot of 6-figure cars (Aston Martins, Maseratis, MBs) depreciate horribly in just a few years. Easily 50-60% of their original selling price. But nobody is buying those as investments. They like them for one reason or another and understand it is a depreciating asset.

I personally don't care how someone else spends their money and would just hope that it provides some enjoyment. Is that as lifelong heirloom, a few years of expensive fun, or maybe just a well bought car you can drive for several years without taking a big depreciation hit?

 

[Rated R]

$20K over for an R model? Most will regret making that decision. I'd never do business with a dealer who'd gouge a customer like that. Look what happened to that other guy who tried to do business with Nalley Ford. He got screwed. Jmo...

 

[ghostrider]

When there are too many cars on the lots, the consumers take advantage. How is this any different?

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

My advice would be to keep looking as you will do better than that. It's one thing to pay reasonable ADM as opposed to ridiculous ADM. Doesn't sound like you have that much piss away money because you are asking about it and I'd think no matter how much you would like an R, realizing in a few months you could have paid 20K less for the same enjoyment will hurt.

 

[Praehotec]

My advice would be to keep looking as you will do better than that. It's one thing to pay reasonable ADM as opposed to ridiculous ADM. Doesn't sound like you have that much piss away money because you are asking about it and I'd think no matter how much you would like an R, realizing in a few months you could have paid 20K less for the same enjoyment will hurt.

While I am sure there are certainly dealers somewhere asking for little to no adm on 350Rs, I imagine they are few, far between, and have limited allocations. In some sense, it may be worth it for some (assuming one has the money) to secure an allocation rather than search for long periods of time. That has to be a personal decision for everyone to decide.

Do you really believe that adm will go away on the R models? It sure doesn't seem that way right now. If anything, they seem to have gone up from last year. It is a limited enough product that there may simply not be enough allocations for everyone who wants one, therefore driving the current seller's market as a way to determine who can actually obtain one.

Not saying adm is a good thing, or that I like it, but it seems to be the reality of the situation, at least for the R.

 

[Spacebird]

When there are too many cars on the lots, the consumers take advantage. How is this any different?

Pffffttttt. Whatever, Mr. 90210.

;)

 

[machsmith]

Look around right now because the better deals are drifting away. There will be limited lottery cars as you go, but the '17 R allocations are being scoffed up quick at around 20K ADM. I got mine cheaper, but 20K is a fairly decent deal now. 30-40 as time goes on. I've seen dealers asking 200K for the car. That is nuts... NO WAY

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

While I am sure there are certainly dealers somewhere asking for little to no adm on 350Rs, I imagine they are few, far between, and have limited allocations. In some sense, it may be worth it for some (assuming one has the money) to secure an allocation rather than search for long periods of time. That has to be a personal decision for everyone to decide.

Do you really believe that adm will go away on the R models? It sure doesn't seem that way right now. If anything, they seem to have gone up from last year. It is a limited enough product that there may simply not be enough allocations for everyone who wants one, therefore driving the current seller's market as a way to determine who can actually obtain one.

Not saying adm is a good thing, or that I like it, but it seems to be the reality of the situation, at least for the R.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Don't think ADM on Rs will go away as you state very limited production vehicle. But reasonable ADM seems 20K or less. Ridiculous certainly over 30K. If you paid six figures as the OP quoted because you didn't do a little work looking for a reasonable ADM I think you would regret it later. Maybe not.

 

[theman1990]

Yeah I drove all the way out there this AM bc they seemed willing to deal.... Then I got there and they wouldn't budge on the 100k... Was not happy. My time is more valuable than that. Tried to tell me they only made 37 350R's (ever)... I was like "dude do you think I've done NO homework??" Sigh....

 

[Rated R]

Reasonable deals are under $20K...:doh:

May as well walk in without a shirt on or they'd take that too...:lol:

 

[Dimitri]

This thread is sad.
You guys give in and give this money.
Remember if every body didn't buy they won't sell.
And they would have a bunch of cars on there lots.
These cars will be worth something maybe in 30 years.
But I don't think so.
Look at Nissan GT-R they were charging 30 k over ?
And Nissan saw people paying so they raised there prices.
And now they can't give me away.
Fellas just wait .patience .

 

[Shift]

This thread is sad.
You guys give in and give this money.
Remember if every body didn't buy they won't sell.
And they would have a bunch of cars on there lots.
These cars will be worth something maybe in 30 years.
But I don't think so.
Look at Nissan GT-R they were charging 30 k over ?
And Nissan saw people paying so they raised there prices.
And now they can't give me away.
Fellas just wait .patience .

You can't compare a ~10yr production turbo car to a limited 2 year car with a unique FPC engine. First and last American FPC V8. This car engine is an instant legend.

I'm not a fan of ADM, but the example you used just shows that you don't understand the significance of this car, and think it's just another regular performance car. With that being said, this car probably isn't right for you.

 

[Praehotec]

This thread is sad.
You guys give in and give this money.
Remember if every body didn't buy they won't sell .

While I agree with that sentiment as an ideal, reality unfortunately does not work that way. As long as one person gives in, that's all it takes. That ship sailed long ago, and now you either give in and pay to play or you hope you get lucky and get a deal, while realizing that you may not get what you want.

At this point, paying over sticker is not being the one who ruins it for everyone else, it's just accepting the reality of the situation, particularly for an R.

Philosophy and reality seldom align perfectly.

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