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Would like some advice / help here:

For my LE WW Auto #381 - I asked my dealer for a breakdown of the numbers so that I could have my $$ in hand. Here is what he gave me:

Price: 48,190
Tax: 3160
Fees: (title, registradion, doc, license, inspection, window etching, paint protection, road and bridge, deputy) 1147
Downpayment: 2000
Final: 50,498

My question is - what is the window etching and paint protection? - ...and should I reject those?

I do the VIN Etching myself. Order the kit online. It is $24.95.
https://vinetcher.com/
Not all insurance companies give a discount for having it done.

The paint protection is a way over priced polish/wax job. The guy who applies it is some minimum wage worker at the dealer who does not give a crap about your paint. He will not clay bar it before applying it, and will probably put swirl marks in your paint.

Nice article on dealer fees:

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/my-money/2013/05/16/7-car-dealership-fees-and-services-to-avoid
Once you’ve settled on the price for a new car, you’ll meet with the business manager for some "paperwork," and the negotiating starts all over again.

Gary Foreman

The business manager isn't just there to help you fill out the forms. They're a trained salesperson, with the goal of getting you to pay for as many dealership fees and services as possible.When you meet with the business manager, be prepared to negotiate these fees and service offers.
The processing fee. Every dealership has one; some call it a documentation fee. Regardless of the name, it's meant to cover their cost of paperwork. Expect the cost to be between $100 and $400.
Like most fees, business managers will tell you it's non-negotiable, and it is – if you don't negotiate it. How willing they are to lower it depends on how good a deal you got on the car. If you cut their profit to the bone, they'll fight for every dollar. If they give in easily, it could be a sign you overpaid on the car.
Dealer preparation. Does the dealer need to prepare the car for you? Sure. Do you need to pay for it? It depends.
New cars should be ready to drive when they arrive from the factory. All they really need are to have the fluids and tires checked – that and a quick car wash before you're handed the keys. Therefore, the dealer is trying to charge you hundreds for a minimal amount of labor.
Delivery charge. Since Henry Ford and the Model T, manufacturers have been levying charges to ship cars from the assembly plant to the dealership. Many buyers view the destination fee as a reasonable charge. In fact, it's listed on the window sticker and included in the invoice price of a car.
However, some dealers have started tacking on a delivery fee above-and-beyond the destination charge – essentially charging you twice for shipping.
Advertising fee. To help pay for advertising auto manufacturers add a charge to each car they deliver to the dealer. (That charge is included in the invoice price to the dealer.)
But, once again, some dealers will try to get customers to pay twice: first, as part of the invoice, and then again as a separate fee when the purchase is finalized. Be vigilant, and if you see a duplicate fee, ask the dealer remove it.
Vehicle identification number etching. Police and insurance companies encourage consumers to have their VIN number etched into the car's windows as an anti-theft measure.
And as an anti-theft measure, VIN etching is good idea, and it’s relatively cheap. But having it done at the dealership means you'll pay top dollar (often $200 or more).
As such, you want to check alternatives. Often the police department or local service clubs will offer etching for free or a nominal amount. DIY kits are also available for around $25.
Fabric protection. Most dealers will offer buyers a fabric protection plan (typically around $250). They'll treat your interior to make it stain resistant, but modern fabrics don't need the treatment. However, if your family is particularly messy, consider buying a can of Scotchgard for around $10 and spraying it yourself.
Paint protection. Dealers know you like that “new car” look – and that you want to keep it, so they're happy to charge you $250 or so for paint protection.
Yet car finishes have greatly improved over the last 50 years, and most don't need extra protection. All you'll really be getting from the dealer is a glorified wax job.
Gary Foreman is a former financial planner who founded TheDollarStretcher.com website and newsletter. The site features thousands of articles on how to save your valuable time and money, including an article on car dealer fees.

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I noticed This on ETIS (With Performance Front Fenders ) I do not remember anyone talking about fenders maybe for tires to clear?
 

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REAR DLO (Louvered quarter windows) ARE POWER

Yes a few of us noticed that but we're not sure how it would work. It would be awesome if they are hinged!

...something else I saw on etis, it had the lovered quarter window but it also said "rear quarter vent window hinged"...
I didn't see in any of the pre-production advertising that they were vented or hinged at all so I've been VERY curious about that. I guess they could pop out at the rear like the old 70's did? That would be nice, but it would be even better if they were power vented/hinged!!!

Here it is, my good find for today...
THE REAR QUARTER WINDOWS ARE POWER AND THEY DO OPEN/VENT!!!

The owners manual (version 1, 7/2014), page 75 (Mirrors and windows), shows the following (I don't know why I didn't think to look there before):

OH YEAH!!! It's a small thing, but I couldn't be more excited about it. This may very well be a good solution for the 'reverberation' from the tightness of the car (or that 'thumping' sound that some have complained about when one window is open).

There you have it future LE owners, more good news about our beautiful, bad machines (I can only assume that the LE would be "equipped" with this feature; otherwise it wouldn't be 'fully loaded')! :clap2:
Mustang - Rear windows switch.webp
 

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That is a good find! Pretty sweet.
 

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Yes a few of us noticed that but we're not sure how it would work. It would be awesome if they are hinged!

...something else I saw on etis, it had the lovered quarter window but it also said "rear quarter vent window hinged"...
I didn't see in any of the pre-production advertising that they were vented or hinged at all so I've been VERY curious about that. I guess they could pop out at the rear like the old 70's did? That would be nice, but it would be even better if they were power vented/hinged!!!

Here it is, my good find for today...
THE REAR QUARTER WINDOWS ARE POWER AND THEY DO OPEN/VENT!!!

The owners manual (version 1, 7/2014), page 75 (Mirrors and windows), shows the following (I don't know why I didn't think to look there before):

OH YEAH!!! It's a small thing, but I couldn't be more excited about it. This may very well be a good solution for the 'reverberation' from the tightness of the car (or that 'thumping' sound that some have complained about when one window is open).

There you have it future LE owners, more good news about our beautiful, bad machines (I can only assume that the LE would be "equipped" with this feature; otherwise it wouldn't be 'fully loaded')! :clap2:
Well there you go...:eyebulge:
 

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I do the VIN Etching myself. Order the kit online. It is $24.95.
https://vinetcher.com/
Not all insurance companies give a discount for having it done.

The paint protection is a way over priced polish/wax job. The guy who applies it is some minimum wage worker at the dealer who does not give a crap about your paint. He will not clay bar it before applying it, and will probably put swirl marks in your paint.

Nice article on dealer fees:

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/my-money/2013/05/16/7-car-dealership-fees-and-services-to-avoid
Once you’ve settled on the price for a new car, you’ll meet with the business manager for some "paperwork," and the negotiating starts all over again.

Gary Foreman

The business manager isn't just there to help you fill out the forms. They're a trained salesperson, with the goal of getting you to pay for as many dealership fees and services as possible.When you meet with the business manager, be prepared to negotiate these fees and service offers.
The processing fee. Every dealership has one; some call it a documentation fee. Regardless of the name, it's meant to cover their cost of paperwork. Expect the cost to be between $100 and $400.
Like most fees, business managers will tell you it's non-negotiable, and it is – if you don't negotiate it. How willing they are to lower it depends on how good a deal you got on the car. If you cut their profit to the bone, they'll fight for every dollar. If they give in easily, it could be a sign you overpaid on the car.
Dealer preparation. Does the dealer need to prepare the car for you? Sure. Do you need to pay for it? It depends.
New cars should be ready to drive when they arrive from the factory. All they really need are to have the fluids and tires checked – that and a quick car wash before you're handed the keys. Therefore, the dealer is trying to charge you hundreds for a minimal amount of labor.
Delivery charge. Since Henry Ford and the Model T, manufacturers have been levying charges to ship cars from the assembly plant to the dealership. Many buyers view the destination fee as a reasonable charge. In fact, it's listed on the window sticker and included in the invoice price of a car.
However, some dealers have started tacking on a delivery fee above-and-beyond the destination charge – essentially charging you twice for shipping.
Advertising fee. To help pay for advertising auto manufacturers add a charge to each car they deliver to the dealer. (That charge is included in the invoice price to the dealer.)
But, once again, some dealers will try to get customers to pay twice: first, as part of the invoice, and then again as a separate fee when the purchase is finalized. Be vigilant, and if you see a duplicate fee, ask the dealer remove it.
Vehicle identification number etching. Police and insurance companies encourage consumers to have their VIN number etched into the car's windows as an anti-theft measure.
And as an anti-theft measure, VIN etching is good idea, and it’s relatively cheap. But having it done at the dealership means you'll pay top dollar (often $200 or more).
As such, you want to check alternatives. Often the police department or local service clubs will offer etching for free or a nominal amount. DIY kits are also available for around $25.
Fabric protection. Most dealers will offer buyers a fabric protection plan (typically around $250). They'll treat your interior to make it stain resistant, but modern fabrics don't need the treatment. However, if your family is particularly messy, consider buying a can of Scotchgard for around $10 and spraying it yourself.
Paint protection. Dealers know you like that “new car” look – and that you want to keep it, so they're happy to charge you $250 or so for paint protection.
Yet car finishes have greatly improved over the last 50 years, and most don't need extra protection. All you'll really be getting from the dealer is a glorified wax job.
Gary Foreman is a former financial planner who founded TheDollarStretcher.com website and newsletter. The site features thousands of articles on how to save your valuable time and money, including an article on car dealer fees.



Sent you a PM (private message).
 

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That would explain why it was so hard to build. I never understood that. Laminating or vulcanizing three parts of glass with plastic and rubber isn't hard. Making it all move and open/close with power would be hard. And 1600$ expensive.
 

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My car left Flat Rock at 1030 last night. Hopefully it will be here soon so we can get many things answered.
 

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I really can't wait to hear all the goodies.

Absolutely surreal that you all still don't know what you're getting.
 

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My car left Flat Rock at 1030 last night. Hopefully it will be here soon so we can get many things answered.
CONGRATS!!! Can't wait to see some pics. here, what do you think, one week? How far are you from Flat Rock?

(I'm hoping that you won't be so tied up playing with your new toy that you won't have time for those of us who are still waiting, lol. On that note, any updates for #322?)
 

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Does anybody know if an LE that doesn't have the CA emissions ordered, is otherwise 50 state emissions compliant? Afaik, the order guide states that GT's with the PP are 50 state emissions legal, but I'm hearing different stories from a dealer.
 
 








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