Intake+Tune or Exhaust first?

[Livernois Motorsports]

Thank you Todd.

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[PandaMike5.0]

I still hope you did not take my post as bashing you guys at all, as I stated I have heard nothing but great things about you guys. Y'all were on my short list of tunes I wanted to order, I just happened to go a different route. I wish y'all nothing but the best. Cheers

Our tuning device is definitely a higher price point that others, but we feel one thing makes it worth it: Our Experience and knowledge.

If people look at our history and reputation you will find it's one of results, reliability, integrity, and service.

Combine that with the fact that we develop calibrations in house for mods, rather than sending people on datalog missions we feel that's a benefit of our tuner as well.

Unfortunately the aftermarket community has been hoodwinked into thinking that to get good results means buying something, getting marginal results, and then risking life, licence, and vehicle making high speed WOT pulls on the street over and over again until the tune is right. This is definitely not how tuning should be done. And time and time again people fail engines while doing it and somehow don't make the connection that saving $200 cost them thousands in the long run.

We have made it a mission to provide the community something rare: honesty. We aren't going to tell someone we can tune for every combination under the sun, and then make people do our dirty work for us. We feel that someone giving us their hard earned money makes us honor bound to providing them something safe, powerful, and enjoyable from the word go. And this means spending time developing the proper calibrations here at our facility.

But this is why our tuner costs extra money. It makes people expect more out of us, and more is exactly what we deliver. We have seen that as price goes down, so do people's expectations. This is why you see good reviews on a $200 exhaust that rusts out in a year and had to be modified to fit. So goes the same with anything. Someone expects a $50 tune to be marginal, and a $450 tune to be amazing. But if someone has allowed themselves to be convinced the $50 tune is all they need, they never realize what they are missing by having a proper setup.

An amazing amount of tunes we sell are to people that have gone down the cheap path, and get beat by our customers, and then realize what they missed out on.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I still hope you did not take my post as bashing you guys at all, as I stated I have heard nothing but great things about you guys. Y'all were on my short list of tunes I wanted to order, I just happened to go a different route. I wish y'all nothing but the best. Cheers

Not at all, it was a great segway for us to educate on what makes us different. We know this setup isn't what everyone will go for, but it's easy to look at only cost, without knowing the reasoning behind a cost. So we wanted people to know 'why"

 

[Anthony]

Here's photos I took tonight showing the 70/20/5 tint:

http://www.goodeyephotography.com/Personal/2015-Mustang/n-4nH7z/

Yes I plan on a catback –*no plan on replacing the headers.

I haven't heard of the Livernois tune – so their CAI and tune are better than the JLT CAI + BAMA tune then?

I have the jlt and Livernois tune. As far as I know, they don't have an intake for the 5.0.

Better? That's up to the buyer to decide. Imo yes, others will call me stupid. There are plenty of posts on here about the differences in Livernois software/tunes and what 90% of everyone else uses, SCT.

My car is better all around. As well as peak hp/tq. No drivability issues, no data logging.

I had a bama/sct for my 08gt/cs never ran great under normal driving, bucking, stutters. Even logging and emailing back and forth. Never got it figured out. I had that car from 08-2014, I just gave up after so long. Wasn't crazy either. Jlt cai headers and axle back.

Through all of my tunes with Livernois I've had zero problems. It just flat out drives better.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Thank you Todd.

You bet! I am of the mindset, you truly get what you pay for. Why skimp on things? I paid 46k for my '15, sure as hell not going to skimp on my mods, tune and tuner.

Once I finalize my catback, I will be reaching out to you all to place my order

 

[Mikeg4572]

Do the tune and intake first. You will like the power gains. In the mean time I had a local exhaust shop make me an H-pipe till I decide what I want to do with exhaust. Cost for exhaust was $85. I got increase in sound from intake and resonater delete.

 

[Ayatollah Humungous]

I was all set on a steeda tune until I just read that reply from Livernois.

Damn you guys for making me thing about this again.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I was all set on a steeda tune until I just read that reply from Livernois.

Damn you guys for making me thing about this again.

That is one of our big goals, to make people think about things before doing them. Far too many times are people convinced to use something because it's popular vs. actually being a quality part/mod.

We actually deal with this battle often on the install side of the shop as we have to remove the "miracle mods' to make the car function properly. But It's also what makes us special because we are installing and testing everything here.

What many people don't know is the vast majority of tuners start with the same basic template, use the same pre-engineered values for certain modsets, and then just tweak from there.

We actually build our tunes from scratch, reverse engineering the software, understanding the relationships that each table, function, and scaler works, and then build our tunes from the ground up.

This lets us truly know how the computers logic works, and readies us for future builds.

We realize that this mindset is different than what has been preached for the last 15+ years, but it truly has been a trek that has allowed us to offer results unmatched by anyone.

 

[Navyxrays]

Our tuning device is definitely a higher price point that others, but we feel one thing makes it worth it: Our Experience and knowledge.

If people look at our history and reputation you will find it's one of results, reliability, integrity, and service.

Combine that with the fact that we develop calibrations in house for mods, rather than sending people on datalog missions we feel that's a benefit of our tuner as well.

Unfortunately the aftermarket community has been hoodwinked into thinking that to get good results means buying something, getting marginal results, and then risking life, licence, and vehicle making high speed WOT pulls on the street over and over again until the tune is right. This is definitely not how tuning should be done. And time and time again people fail engines while doing it and somehow don't make the connection that saving $200 cost them thousands in the long run.

We have made it a mission to provide the community something rare: honesty. We aren't going to tell someone we can tune for every combination under the sun, and then make people do our dirty work for us. We feel that someone giving us their hard earned money makes us honor bound to providing them something safe, powerful, and enjoyable from the word go. And this means spending time developing the proper calibrations here at our facility.

But this is why our tuner costs extra money. It makes people expect more out of us, and more is exactly what we deliver. We have seen that as price goes down, so do people's expectations. This is why you see good reviews on a $200 exhaust that rusts out in a year and had to be modified to fit. So goes the same with anything. Someone expects a $50 tune to be marginal, and a $450 tune to be amazing. But if someone has allowed themselves to be convinced the $50 tune is all they need, they never realize what they are missing by having a proper setup.

An amazing amount of tunes we sell are to people that have gone down the cheap path, and get beat by our customers, and then realize what they missed out on.

I am new to the world of Mustangs, owning my Ruby Red GT for only a month and a half, and still trying to sort out who is who in the world of aftermarket bolt-ons and other products. I started with what I felt was most obvious, installing the FRPP Touring Catbacks (thanks to Jay at Hypermotive). I am hearing good things about most major vendors (Steeda, JLT, etc.), but being a neophyte, I'm still not exactly sure. What I am sure of is this - I am still active duty (Navy) after 24 years, so Livernois is talking a language I completely understand: honesty, integrity, reliability and service. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for, so Livernois, you now have my attention.

I'd like to hear from others about their experiences with the Mustang specific vendors. Bring on the good, the bad, and the fugly.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I am new to the world of Mustangs, owning my Ruby Red GT for only a month and a half, and still trying to sort out who is who in the world of aftermarket bolt-ons and other products. I started with what I felt was most obvious, installing the FRPP Touring Catbacks (thanks to Jay at Hypermotive). I am hearing good things about most major vendors (Steeda, JLT, etc.), but being a neophyte, I'm still not exactly sure. What I am sure of is this - I am still active duty (Navy) after 24 years, so Livernois is talking a language I completely understand: honesty, integrity, reliability and service. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for, so Livernois, you now have my attention.

I'd like to hear from others about their experiences with the Mustang specific vendors. Bring on the good, the bad, and the fugly.

Thank you for your service, we deeply appreciate your sacrifice. Thank you for your compliments as well.

Here is a video of our Coyote support in action:
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[beefcake]

intake and tune will get you more gains, catback will get you more sound, depends on what you want more.

let me know if you need help with pricing on any of the above

 

[David@Steeda]

I am new to the world of Mustangs, owning my Ruby Red GT for only a month and a half, and still trying to sort out who is who in the world of aftermarket bolt-ons and other products. I started with what I felt was most obvious, installing the FRPP Touring Catbacks (thanks to Jay at Hypermotive). I am hearing good things about most major vendors (Steeda, JLT, etc.), but being a neophyte, I'm still not exactly sure. What I am sure of is this - I am still active duty (Navy) after 24 years, so Livernois is talking a language I completely understand: honesty, integrity, reliability and service. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for, so Livernois, you now have my attention.

I'd like to hear from others about their experiences with the Mustang specific vendors. Bring on the good, the bad, and the fugly.

Here to help with any questions you may have!

 

[David@Steeda]

I was all set on a steeda tune until I just read that reply from Livernois.

Damn you guys for making me thing about this again.

Whether you go with our tunes or Livernois, both are great choices. Not going to bombard you with a sales pitch, we have a proven track record with our tuning. Our lead tuner actually trained several SCT tuners back in the day, and we only release tunes that we are 100% comfortable with. Are there more aggressive tuners out there? Sure, but we tune for reliability (especially when remote tuning). We also agree that datalogging should not be done on the street at WOT.

 

[foghat]

Whether you go with our tunes or Livernois, both are great choices. Not going to bombard you with a sales pitch, we have a proven track record with our tuning. Our lead tuner actually trained several SCT tuners back in the day, and we only release tunes that we are 100% comfortable with. Are there more aggressive tuners out there? Sure, but we tune for reliability (especially when remote tuning). We also agree that datalogging should not be done on the street at WOT.

Livernois is saying data logging isn't required at all. I want to believe, just so counter to what I've been been lead to believe in the past.

@livernois, are you able to provide tunes for a supercharged 5.0? And do you ship to Canada? I tried to get a shipping price for your tuner by using the Shipping estimation tool in checkout. Even though I can enter my country and province and postal code, it tells me you can't ship to my location.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Livernois is saying data logging isn't required at all. I want to believe, just so counter to what I've been been lead to believe in the past.

@livernois, are you able to provide tunes for a supercharged 5.0? And do you ship to Canada? I tried to get a shipping price for your tuner by using the Shipping estimation tool in checkout. Even though I can enter my country and province and postal code, it tells me you can't ship to my location.

For the supercharger, it depends on the type. We have 3 Whipple installs going on in the next few weeks, so that supercharger we definitely will support. But, until we do them in house, we are open and honest with everyone about not being able to.

our firm belief is that the knowledge has to be gained in person before it can be emailed to anyone. As for shipping, certain Postal codes in Canada makes the site not happy because the fees vary so much. You can call in or email in with your info and we can get you a price though.

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